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Thanks everyone I'm learning a ton. I'm still trying to understand it all. Can the can in the car be tested? When I replaced the in cab filter at 4000 miles the smell was gone, but come back. Our LX doesn't have the Ionizer Filter. Before the dealer treated the ductwork twice with the deoderizer it smelled just like week old gym socks roled up in the corner.

The doors are becoming a major problem. With it getting into the low 20 decrees at night it is freezing up tight, and that is all four of them.

Our Sportage is great in the snow. Love the car just need to fix it.

Thanks for the insight.
 
My bad... I guess I should of clarified. Yes there is an ionizer... Ionizers will produce ozone but the ionizer in the sportage is not as powerful as one used to primarily produce ozone as is used to disinfect hospital rooms or an industrial HVAC system...

If you can take it, set your climate contrail to auto then to low and get the interior nice and cold and then turn the temp. up to high. If you know the odor of ozone, you will "smell" it being produced.
 
I live in Florida and routinely once I get into my car I get the smell of a cross between old vomit and musty sweaty gymsocks. I thought maybe it was because I always left the AC on even after I shut the car off and that the moisture was in the cabin causing the smell, so I figured just keeping the vent on would still allow air circulation in the cabin even when the car is parked. No real difference as far as I could tell. I have a couple of bottles of that Ozium deoderizer, anti bacterial spray and while it makes it smell better right after you spray it, the old underlying smell still comes back.
 
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I get this message alot. KIA doesn't let to much negitive talk go there the web. Most of it comes up missing or error occurs. We did have two of these treatments donr to the car.
 
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Toxic car

IF YOU OWN AND DRIVE A KIA CHECK THIS OUT.

New Car Smell Linked to Sickness and Disease
Study says that new car smell you desire might harm your health.
By David A. Wood, CarComplaints.com

May 10, 2012 — Planning on buying a new vehicle soon? According to a new study from the nonprofit Ecology Center, you should check the vehicle's toxic chemical ratings right along with the car's safety ratings.

The chemicals, found in plastics and other parts of the interior, have been linked to a wide range of health problems such as allergies, birth defects, impaired learning, liver toxicity, and cancer.

"Research shows that vehicle interiors contain a unique cocktail of hundreds of toxic chemicals that off-gas in small, confined spaces," said Jeff Gearhart, research director at the Ecology Center. "Since these chemicals are not regulated, consumers have no way of knowing the dangers they face. Our testing is intended to expose those dangers and encourage manufacturers to use safer alternatives."

Researchers tested over 200 of the most popular 2011 and 2012 vehicles for chemicals that "off-gas" from the steering wheel, dashboard, armrests and seats.

These chemicals contribute to "new car smell" and considering the average American spends more than 1.5 hours in a car every day, researchers are concerned that toxic chemical exposure inside vehicles could be a major problem.

The problem is worse in the summer when air temperatures of 192 F and dash temperatures up to 248 F can increase the concentration of Volatile Organic Compounds (VOC's) and break other chemicals down into more toxic substances.

"Automobiles function as chemical reactors, creating one of the most hazardous environments we spend time in," Gearhart said.
However, all is not lost.

According to available research, automakers have steadily improved their ratings. According to the Ecology Center, the best vehicles today have eliminated hazardous flame retardants and PVC.

The most improved automakers in terms of average ratings for their vehicles are VW, Mitsubishi, and Ford. These represent improvement from the 2009/2010 models to the 2011/2012 models.

Diamler AG and Volvo had overall declining average scores from 2009/2010 to 2011/2012.

And the winners and losers are...

The 10 Best

•2012 Honda Civic
•2011 Toyota Prius
•2011 Honda CR-Z
•2011 Nissan cube
•2012 Acura RDX
•2012 Acura ZDX
•2012 Audi S5
•2011 Smart Coupe
•2011 Toyota Venza
•2011 Smart Passion

The 10 Worst

•2012 Mini Cooper S Clubman
•2012 Volkswagen Eos
•2011 Kia Sportage
•2011 Chevrolet Aveo5
•2012 Hyundai Accent
•2011 Mazda CX-7
•2011 Nissan Versa
•2011 Kia Soul
•2011 Chrysler 200 SC
•2011 Mitsubishi Outlander Sp

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What they don't tell you in this article, is that while those chemicals mentioned may be toxic in large quantities, the amount that is present in your car is completely harmless.
Do you have any facts to back that up? Our Sportage has a strong chemical smell to it. If you can smell it, that means the level are pretty high. Then consider how much time you spend in the car. If that doesn't concern you then I'm sure you enjoy second hand cigarette smoke too.
 
Can I Use "odor-killing" chemicals, deodorants, or ozone to get rid of moldy or other bad car smells?
Generally we do not recommend car deodorants - they only cover up the smell, the do not get rid of the source. It will be back.

Ozone generators produce ozone gas, a strong oxidant (and dangerous to breathe) that temporarily fills the car interior to try to "oxidize" or "kill" mold that your car cleaning company couldn't reach - such as sound insulation padding up high inside the front fire-wall of the car, under the dash board.

Watch out: Be very careful if you're going to permit someone to ozone-treat your car. If the ozone treatment is over-done, the ozone can oxidize other car materials, causing a more horrible odor than ever. Details about over-dosing with ozone are found at OZONE for MOLD OR ODORS.

Field Report: Unsuccessful Try at Removing Car Odors: "Chemical Cleaner" followed by "Ozone Overdose" Ruins Car?
Question: The Dealer's Attempt to Deodorize a smell in my car's A/C vent system made things much worse. Is it safe?
I took my automobile to a Chrysler dealer to have the evaporator (AC vent system ) cleaned due to a bacteria/mold smell which I was told is common in Chrysler products.

The dealer used a chemical “cleaner” which on the market which was supposed to remove this material. It apparently worked however I was left with a terrible perfume-like odor that would not go away.

This went on for a few weeks until they finally had a company come in and ozone treat the interior.

I need to point out I have severe emphysema and asthma.

The individuals there at the dealership including the service man from the company all said the equipment was used “over the weekend” for an extended period of time to remove the perfume smell and allowed to run over the weekend.

They used 2 ozone generators inside the car: one in the trunk and one in the interior cabin area.

The “expert” from the cleaning company said what he smells is “CLEAN AIR” – MY REPLY IS SIMPLY BULL.

NOW I have a serious odd “chemical odor” in the car which is more (and then some) irritating than the perfume odor. This smell has now persisted for over 30 days now with the car left running with the AC and fans running, sitting in an open area with the windows down and so on, they even cleaned the upholstery and rugs.

Question is what the dickens is going on?

Is my car ruined due to ozone treatment?

Has a chemical reaction started or occurred? And most significant is this dangerous? I need to get rid of the Auto but cannot dump a car on someone that may he harmed by this odor!

Please advise me about what has happened here! - M.R.

Reply: It may have been less expensive and more effective to do it right the first time.
OPINION: With just an email naturally no one can accurately diagnose nor cure an odor problem nor really assess its level of risk, but here are some thoughts based on our experience and your report:

What you describe does not sound like the most effective approach to a car odor and worse, as if it has indeed made things worse. We can only guess from so little info, but

Chemical deodorants for cars? It is common for people to try to "treat" an unwanted odor by using (by spray or other means) a "deodorant" chemical (perfume?) that does not actually remove anything. Rather it superimposes a new odor that drowns out or disguises the old one. "Air fresheners" often work this way.
Because under continued exposure our brains eventually tune out odors or smells - at least to some degree - the perfume deodorant is first covering up and then desensitizing the human being's nose rather than removing or cleaning up a problem.
This is not so horrible if the original problem was not health related, though not effective as it does nothing about finding and removing the original odor problem. In this case the original odor may later return, or if it's a "new car smell" or an odor from new materials it may eventually outgas, dissipate, and thus become much less noticeable.
A related problem is that some people are or become sensitive to the new "deodorant" chemicals themselves, suffering from asthma attacks or other complaints.
Shampoo plus chemical deodorant? A similar approach to car odor reduction is to wash or shampoo carpets or seats hoping that that step removes an odor problem (if those materials were even the original problem source), combined with an odorant or "air sanitizer" chemical as we described above.
Heavy dosing a car interior with with ozone, as you describe, risks oxidizing plastics and fabrics inside the automobile, making a new horrible smell that frankly, is unlikely to go away unless the car is gutted.
Worse, the odor from an oxidized material, say a carpet, often penetrates and is absorbed into other materials such as a headliner or seats, so we no longer have the option of just replacing the smelly oxidized carpet, seats, or whatever the offender is.
The new odors are themselves respiratory irritants to some people, especially people who are chemically sensitive, asthmatic, etc. The new odor is not going to be ozone itself (which is certainly dangerous at high levels) because ozone is so volatile that it doesn't stick around long after the ozone generator machine has been turned off. Rather the new odors are, in our experience, from oxidized materials in the car. We don't know the actual risk in any given case as individual sensitivity varies widely.
These reasons are why, even though it sounds like a lot more trouble, it is actually often more effective and less expensive to find and remove the original odor source in the first place, along with finding and fixing its cause.

Now, we are afraid, it may be too late for this car and it might have been rendered unusable. And we agree that what you smell is certainly not "clean air" - if the air in the car were clean - odor free - it would not smell.

Before giving up on the overdosed, over-ozoned car, you can try the next suggestion we list below:

Air out the car and let it bake in the sun with its windows open (and watch out for rainstorms). Otherwise, to restore the car now may require identifying just what in-car components are smell sources, they have to then be removed, the car aired-out, and new materials installed. These might include:

Car carpets
Car seats
Car headliner
Car door liners
Car sound insulation padding
Trunk carpeting or sound insulation padding
We do not advise just passing on the car to someone else before these problems are fixed - you wouldn't want to be responsible for some future car-occupant's health or respiratory problem that might be caused, contributed to, or blamed-on the smelly car.
 
Hello, I live in Tennessee ( high humidity) in summer,I am having the same weird smell issues. Might be mold who knows I only know I'm aggravated. My car is 2012 I'm a little paranoid when it comes to my kia. I started with a new soul back in 2011 I had the engine blow up two times due to oil evaporating for no reason . They had to call the kia team in to find the prob. Long story short they replaced my car I got the sportage, now this weird smell I've changed the cabin filter no change . I'm thankful for all input you all are providing it has helped me soon much . Keep on posting this is better than going to the service dept. I'm going to try some of your alls suggestions.
 
I had this problem and it cleared up after I treated it as follows: I mixed 1 part clorox to 4 parts cold water..then slowly pouring the mixture into the fresh airvent at the base of the windshield with the a/c sys on (eng running)..slowly moving the temp control up and down... you should get a clorox smell in the cabin with the solution draining on the garage floor. Continue running the sys and the clorox smell will go away..Repeat as necessary. I used a gallon mixture once . No need to remove anything..Hope this helps. I have a 2013 Sportage SX
 
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