Kia Forum banner

CRDi engine 'hiccup'

1 reading
136K views 265 replies 58 participants last post by  FrEaKZoIdE  
#1 ·
Got 1 week old Ceed sw 1.6 crdi and am very pleased.

Engine is mighty (match for the 2.2DCi Primera I had) but I have noticed one thing that I wonder if others have experienced....

While driving progressively i.e with some pace, the engine performs wonderfully. But if I daudle along, say start doing 50mph in 4th on flat, with my foot barely pressing on the gas, the engine sometimes seems to falter - like it hiccups and urges to go forward.

It feels like when you drive too slow in too high a gear and the engine baulks.

Anyone had this feeling under foot?

If not... I'll be straight down to make use of the warrenty!
 
#3 ·
I have experienced something like that twice durng the past month. It happened when doing about 90 km/h in 5th gear when driving slightly downhill. It feels like the engine doesn't know whether to cutoff the fuel supply or not. One of the times I used the cruise control, the other time was without cruise, with the foot barely touching the pedal.

Was planning to drop by the dealer to have it checked out.
 
#4 ·
jens_s said:
It feels like the engine doesn't know whether to cutoff the fuel supply or not.
Yes, I was just thinking that today - just as you described it.

I suppose it could be the engine management system getting confused whether to press on or give up!

I'm not too concerned, but if it does carry on then I will ask the dealer to check it out.
 
#6 ·
Had it in the garage today for the hiccup / hesitation. They said nothing wrong - just normal turbo lag.

Probably only had it out for 10 minutes, and if they drove it progressively they'd have not noticed anything.

It's when doing the daily commute over 40 minutes that you notice it and you can never predict but it is typically when you are driving like an old grodger, like doing 50mph in 4th on a flat A road. The engine will just falter then jerk, falter then jerk a couple of times, by which time you either lift off the gas, which pulls it into shape, or press on the gas which does the same.

It's a bit like a mild version of driving a small petrol engine at 20mph in 5th, and it's just about to stall, but gives you a few warnings signs first. (A mild version of that)

Or well, sod it. It doesn't feel like it should happen or that the engine is partly happy about it, but such is life. If engine gets damaged, I'll have a new one thanks very much.
 
#7 ·
Not sure if you were told this or not but the EMS takes the first 500 or so miles to settle in & adjust to your stye of driving, it maybe that's the feelings your getting, just treat her like a lady (til it's run in after 10k) & you'll be fine I'm sure!
 
#8 ·
Hiccup

I have had this hiccup problem from new. I have noticed it is not as bad when it is very cold and worst after a long motorway journey followed by a slow dawdle uphill as I decelerate then try to gently accellerate at around 1500 - 2000 rpm at lower or higher revs it is ok.
The stall that occurs is like it is hunting for fuel sometimes only a hint and other times a total engine stop.
I have had the car 2 months and have driven 7000 miles so the engine should be settled in.
I will be taking the car back to the garage soon when I mentioned it to the service manager he said "you must make sure your left foot is well clear of the brake and clutch pedals as this is probably the problem":confused:
Thirty years of driving and repairing cars, twenty eight years an apprentice trained engineer and 400000 miles covered in the last nine years as a service engineer I think I know how to operate a car.:lol:
 
#10 ·
I have had this hiccup problem from new. :
Yeah, me still got it, despite 3.5k miles in 2 months. It does feel like a fuel stavation when trying to drive gently with little pressure on throttle.

Turbo lag my arse. This has nothing to do with acceleration and the associated lag.

I actually drive around the problem now. When it happens I just lift off totally, or if nothing too close in front, I just rag it.
 
#12 ·
Let me know how it goes, Dragord. Maybe you should take a printout of this topic to the garage. I know I'm gonna write a letter to Kia, Swindon with this forum discussion, and ask them to reconsider their response to the problem.

I want full engine diag and replacement EMS if necessary.
 
#13 ·
I felt the hiccup a couple of times...it reminds me about the problem i had with my previous Corolla; at almost 3 years and ~55tkm it started to have hiccups at constant speed, every now and then and at various speeds. Garage could not do anything because no error code triggered. After 6 month and another 10tkm finally i had an error code. VVT chain missfunction. They were kind enough and changed it for free even though car was out of warranty already...

What i wanted to say :) is that being a new model, the garage will probably not do anything if no error. We should push with KIA to investigate and figure out the problem&solution. Same goes for the other weird behaviors of ceed.
 
#14 ·
I have driven 6200km with mine now and not one hiccup yet. Knock on wood... I would have gone to my dealer and try to shed some light over it. I bought myself a thermometer today to investigate the ECC problem described in another thread... I want some hard verifiable facts when I go to my dealer with the complaint.
 
#15 ·
The hiccup is definitly something that it cannot go unnoticed if happens, car is really shaking :huh: now that I think back, I have not felt it lately. Definitely it happened couple of times in the first few 100 of kms...

not being a finnish speaker :rolleyes:, I have hard time explaining this kind of problems to the local dealer
 
#16 · (Edited)
I would re-classify this problem as a 'faltering'. It feels like that more so than a ‘hiccup’.

Just on Friday, I was going up a small hill in 3rd at 45mph, but had a van ahead so had to stay at the same throttle. I just knew then that had the obstacle not been in the way, then I would have powered ahead and no problems, but instead by holding back at 45 on 3rd, the engine faltered and complained.

Pressed on the gas and the engine was full of joy again. But the van in front was nearly rammed!
 
#19 · (Edited)
Dictionary.com says...

Faltering

To be unsteady in purpose or action, as from loss of courage or confidence; waver. See Synonyms at hesitate.

To move ineptly or haltingly; stumble.
To operate or perform unsteadily or with a loss of effectiveness: The automobile engine faltered.


That's is what my engine, and it sounds like some others, is prone to do.

I find myself liking the reason that the timing chain might be too loose as an cause. That would make sense. But it would be a big relief if it was only EMS programming. The dealer is more likely to fix it then.
 
#28 ·
This hiccup is "normal" on diesel cars!

It's usually called the "injection point", it's usually when the turbo starts to spin and the fuel injection is starting inject a bit more fuel. It only happens in a certain rpm with a "specific" throttle "travel".

I've heard Astra and Golf owners complaining of the same!
 
#30 ·
Cee´d 1.6 CRDI - Your dealer might need to calibrate the EGR system flow. This is done by changing the "Gasket/joint?" (dont know the english word :D) at the manifold at the EGR system. Its something to do with the air/fuel flow ^^
It should take like 30min to change. and its only for the "!Cee´d 1.6 CRDI!"

Try talking with your dealer with this, If they havent checked the service info Kia comes with, they r the sux :)
 
#42 ·
Engine Hiccup/Misfire

Hi
I purchased a 1.6 crdi LS SW in October and it has misfired from day one. Have taken it back to dealers straight away for them to inform me that no errors were triggered on the engine management system. After a number of repeated calls to the dealers they admitted that they have 4 Ceeds with the same problem, one of them belonging to their Technical guy, and they hav'nt a clue what causes it. They are in contact with KIA's technical department who still have not come up with a solution. I contacted Kia customer support to try and get some answers to be told that 3 months was unacceptable to get a repair carried out and that they would ring the dealers [the problem is with Kia not the dealer]. Next day Kia customer support contacted me to confirm that the dealer was acting accordingly with Kia requirements to an unknown fault, and that the technical dept would only issue a definitive solution to the problem and not a try this try that approach.
I have again rang the dealers and they said that a software patch for the ECU was likely but as yet Kia Korea had not issued one. My father has the same car and does not have this problem. If not resolved soon, as much as my wife likes the car, then i see the only solution is to reject the car as not fit for purpose/unsafe or maybe ending up stuck with this problem. The misfires happen between 1600 and 2200 rpm, and is not as frequent when outside temp is low.
:(
 
#43 ·
Hi
After a number of repeated calls to the dealers they admitted that they have 4 Ceeds with the same problem, one of them belonging to their Technical guy, and they hav'nt a clue what causes it. They are in contact with KIA's technical department who still have not come up with a solution. I contacted Kia customer support to try and get some answers to be told that 3 months was unacceptable to get a repair carried out and that they would ring the dealers [the problem is with Kia not the dealer].
:(
OK, my Kia dealership is Swindon - Fish Brothers. What's yours called in Stockton, Grahame? I'm going down to mine with a printout of this entire forum thread, to show them that this engine misfire is not just me (or bleeding turbo lag). And I'll tell them to ring your garage too. Sooner we build this issue up, the better for forcing a fix.
 
#45 · (Edited)
Kia Ceed Engine Misfire

Hi Richs,
My dealer is SG Petch in Darlington, a dealership that has a very good reputation, hence the reason I do not hold them responsible for the lack of knowledge of the problem. They also are at a loss as what to do with this problem.

The funny thing about all this is, helpful as Kia's customer service rep was, in contacting the dealer and informing me that their technical department were aware of the problem now, although [according to her] it was only a small number of vehicles involved, she finished her briefing with a classic statement --IT MAY TURN OUT TO BE JUST A QUIRK OF THE ENGINE!!!.
Mmmmm, paid good hard earned money for a new car that misfires regularly and told that it is a quirk of the car and completely normal, :lol:
I THINK NOT, IF NO SOLUTION IS FORTHCOMING THEN I WILL BE LOOKING FOR A CHANGE OF VEHICLE FROM KIA.

The car is otherwise everything we wished for, but after having numerous other new budget brands [Citroens] this is the only fault i have had that at the moment can't be fixed.

Baithooker [username incorrect, hoping to get it changed shortly]
 
#48 ·
Hi Richs,


The funny thing about all this is, helpful as Kia's customer service rep was, in contacting the dealer and informing me that their technical department were aware of the problem now, although [according to her] it was only a small number of vehicles involved, she finished her briefing with a classic statement --IT MAY TURN OUT TO BE JUST A QUIRK OF THE ENGINE!!!.
Mmmmm, paid good hard earned money for a new car that misfires regularly and told that it is a quirk of the car and completely normal, :lol:
I THINK NOT, IF NO SOLUTION IS FORTHCOMING THEN I WILL BE LOOKING FOR A CHANGE OF VEHICLE FROM KIA.


]
I reckon this problem comes when the turbo comes off song.

Like when you do a quick spurt up hill or around a junction, then you settle into low throttle. That’s when the turbo starts to “hit and jerk”.
 
#46 ·
Cool - Darlington is where I was born, and Stockton, Portrack Lane - Dickens - my first job.

I agree that the dealers can only do so much, based on the diagnostic tools given to them by the manufacturer. But it is anoying to buy new, and get this problem. I would have bought a 'run-in' second hand luxury car for the same money had I known I was going to get faulty goods new.

I too will be asking them to exchange the car if nothing is forthcoming by end of January.
Rich