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2000 Kia Sportage 126,000 Problem: Parked car, would not start, start cranks but no engine turnover. Towed to Midas of Sierra Vista AZ:

Saturday 9.29.2012 Went to Midas pick up my car key and requested and received a receipt that said $0, "customer declined service" because I do not put it past Steve Grimes to say that I absconded my car from the premises with a falsified bill after I tow it.

To surmise, 5 lies in one day without even doing a simple diagnostic check.
Friday 9.28.2012
1) Car in parking lot, Grimes comes out, and I with him. He does not check computer engine check codes. Opens timing belt cover and says the belt is worn because the belt has "no white markings" for timing when it's a self timing interference engine that use a ring on the crank pulley for timing. Any white mark would not simply stop at the top when engine off and the timing mark is used as a check only with a strobe timing light.
2) Told Steve Grimes to leave bolts inside passenger compartment. Later called saying that my friend & I are going to turn the car over and see if the cam shaft turns to check if has stripped teeth as he said. I confirmed: "You did say the teeth were stripped", and he answered yes even though he never said that to me. He said earlier that the timing belt was worn due to no white mark on the outside smooth side of the belt that has no contact other than idler pulleys.
3) After telling him that I was going down to check he then told me that he had already put everything back together. (He didn't)
4) Some time later called and asked Joey to check with diagnostic meter and to call me back, never called back and at around 4pm I called and Joey said that he didn't pull any diagnostic engine check codes when he checked the car.
Saturday 9.29.2012
I went to pick up the key, and a receipt that says $0 charge and that "customer declined service". I opened up the hood and the bolts were loosely hanging on the timing belt cover. I tightened bolts and noticed that the positive cable to the battery post was disconnected. I do not recall Steve Grimes disconnecting the battery post but he may have had done it in front of me and I simply don't remember. But that would clear any engine check codes that the car may have had.
(5) Joey had lied to me yesterday about checking the engine code because must have the ignition on and 12 volt for the car computer to read out. If disconnect or key in the off position, the hand-held computer checker would notify in the display to turn the car key on to the ignition position.

Why am I being treated so?:(
 

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Only because you let these grease monkeys walk over you.....

I have a daughter and two Gdaughters that run circles around most (???) mechanics.

All my other girls can at least do basic troubleshooting.... (5 daughters, 11 Gdaughters)..

Good luck, keep your chin up and ask if you need a hand... Philip
 

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ptosis..
You did not mention "if" the timing/cam belt had ever been replaced. The belt "could" your problem. Kia says replace every 60k miles... You are lucky though as this engine IS NOT an interference type engine and if it either slipped a few teeth or even broke more often than not no damage came to the engine. The best thing you did was get the car out of there..Hopefully they didn't do any damage to the engine.
Ask your friends about Who does their car repairs and take to that person.
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Yup, people said I was the fool to ever bring it to Midas in the first place and to never go to any of these cracker-box places.

I asked my older apt. maintainance man Harold and he replied "Monty's Motors has a good reputation in the town" I have been in Sierra Vista only 3 years and hope Monty's is better than the other places I went to so far in Sierra Vista.

When first bought the Kia in Sierra Vista the car would not start without cranking and a engine code. Then it would start fine. Went to Arizona Auto & Radiator Repair and they said is was a loose relay in the engine fuse box and "tighten the connector'. Well kept giving different codes on a regular basis. $500 later I went & bought at the dealership ja $15 relay and haven't had a problem until this week.

I went for a simple oil change on the reccomendation of a guy who didn't own a car. The oil drain plug ws not tightened and leaked. Tightened it on my own. The place is now longer in business.

As for the belt. Yes in the book says 60k, the car was very well maintained - probably from all the false codes from the bum relay. To bad get mic the belt for wear on the teeth and stretch. Even on a bicycle when the shifting starts skipping and I put a new chain on with the same number of teeth, I lay them side to side and the old one is about an inch longer.
 

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When first bought the Kia in Sierra Vista the car would not start without cranking and a engine code. Then it would start fine. Went to Arizona Auto & Radiator Repair and they said is was a loose relay in the engine fuse box and "tighten the connector'. Well kept giving different codes on a regular basis. $500 later I went & bought at the dealership ja $15 relay and haven't had a problem until this week.

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Would recommend fully inspecting the T-Belt, and also checking the Fuel Pump and Main relays - and would consider (replacing) that second relay not replaced previously as a diagnostic step,

And would also be cleaning up ground points: battery terminals, battery tray ground point, Battery ground tray bolts, remove battery, remove plastic battery tray, will be there (if present), battery ground point <-> engine ground strap/wire connections,

(Tools: Fine-grit (200-400) sandpaper $3-4 dollars 3pk walmart, Dielectric grease ("connection protector", AutoZone, .99 cents blister pack), 10mm wrench, 10mm Socket Ratchet, some elbow-grease and a 1-2 hrs. time)

Would be inspecting the wiring connections on the Starter motor,

Would also be removing, inspecting, and testing each fuse in the engine compartment fuse box & passenger cabin fuse box for continuity.. (Tools: (auto-ranging) Digital multimeter w/ continuity test function: 20-30 dollars at Walmart or Radio Shack, recommend the auto-ranging meter.. )

*With clean grounds, and verified fuses/relays, you can be confident of good power to the engine components -> move forward in any further diagnosis..

Hoping the issue is minor, and the recommended repair shop can help you,

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GottaCruise
 

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As a general rule, I never take it to a shop unless I need something done that's beyond my mechanical ability. Even then I still do as much as I can and only have them do the actual parts I can't do.
 

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Its Midas. Enough said.
Sadly, they have had a questionable relationship with the truth for decades.....

BTW, I have made a point of teaching my wife and daughters how to work on cars. They love to walk into an auto parts house and ask specifically for some obscure part. They tell me the look on the counter guy's face is often priceless :)
 

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vincewarde...
Yes...I'd love to be a "fly on the wall" when they confuse the "parts specialists" with their knowledge...
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$15 endoscope inspection = belt brand new

I bought a $15 USB endscope to inspect my timing belt and it look brand new. Here's the picture.


I experience predatory business practices whenever I walk in alone into a mechanics area. Why? Do I really look that stupid? Or is it that I walked in there alone without a male escort and they figure I'm an easy mark?


Steve Grimes of Midas in Sierra Vista AZ tried to give the the 'shaft job' without the grease by telling me: “There is no markings on your belt, your belt is worn, you need to replace it.” A lie implying that the brand labeling scan code times the car.




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First off this isnt because your a woman, these type of shops do this to alot of people. I feel like there is more to the story but either way looking at your belt tells you very little. Its ment to be replaced at 60k. No if, and, or but's... If you have not had it replaced or if you dont know when it was done, you need to start there.

Why did you take it to them in the first place... What was the reason you needed it worked on? It shut off while driving, low power, etc...
 

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Ptosis,
Your belt has already been changed once and should be good for another several thousand miles. I change mine every 50-70k. Last one was a Goodyear Gatorback
UPYOURKIA
 
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