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I have had my car for about a year now and it has spent as many days at the dealership as it has in my driveway when the weather starts to cool off. As soon as we start to get FROST on the windshield my car will not start. Now get this .... by stating that it will not start I mean all the lights come on when you turn the key and thats it no click boom and go. Is there anyone out there that is having this problem ???? The dealer has replaced all kinds of parts on my car and still the same problem. I am fully aware that this could happen on any manufactuer's car so I am not just pointing my finger at Kia but man oh man CAN YOU JUST REPLACE MY CAR AND BE DONE WITH IT. We need to have a law that states after a certain number of visits to the dealer reguarding the same problem they should just replace the car !!!! I am getting sick and tired of this back and forth to the dealer thing.
 

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Welcome and sorry to hear you have problem with your Spectra.
 

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Welcome to the site. Sorry to hear about your problem with you Spectra 5. If you were to post you problems/questions about your Spectra5 in the Spectra Fourm it might get answered faster.
 

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Originally posted by 2005spectra5@Nov 2 2005, 10:43 AM
I have had my car for about a year now and it has spent as many days at the dealership as it has in my driveway when the weather starts to cool off. As soon as we start to get FROST on the windshield my car will not start. Now get this .... by stating that it will not start I mean all the lights come on when you turn the key and thats it no click boom and go.
Sorry to hear about your problem. My 2004.5 Spectra EX has performed flawlessly in all kinds of weather.

Here's a couple of thoughts....

1. Post your problem on other forums like Edmunds. Here's the Spectra5 link: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/[email protected]@.ef3b4d1. The more forums you check, the more possible contact you'll have with other people who may be experiencing this problem.

2. Turn the headlights on and trying turning over the engine. Do the lights dim when you turn the key? If so, then the starter is drawing power and is probably bad. This recently happened to my Chevy truck, and it ended up the starter was indeed bad. It exhibited symptoms similar to yours... lights, radio, everything worked but no engine turnover. The one thing I observed was that the headlights would dim when I attempted to start the truck (even though no cranking or clicking sounds were made), and the battery would progressively start to weaken, meaning that considerable juice was being drawn from it.

3. Start hammering KIA Motors USA with calls and emails and if you get the run-around, then go directly to the Korean corporate website and submit complaint or request for help. The Korean site asks people who are not satisfied to contact them directly. A poster on USENET had good luck going that route, BUT it did p-ss off the North American KIA folks, so I'd try working my way up the chain if possible.

Here's the "Korea Direct" contact page on the corporate website:
http://www.kiamotors.com/Inter_Corp/Info/C.../contactus.aspx

The page linked to above states:

"In order to provide optimum service, we are eager to listen to your concerns. When Kia distributors or the dealership near you are not able to solve your vehicle's problem for any reason, please contact us directly using the email show below. Your comments are very important to us."


4. A person on the Edmunds Sedona board had a problem with a transmission interlock switch that would keep the car from either starting or going into gear (I forget) based on temperature. Maybe that's something to ask about.

For the benefit of everyone on here, can you post some additional specifics about how often this happens when it's cold? Is it after the car has set for several hours? Does it refuse to start ever when its cold? Has it acted better after any dealer service, but then reverted back to its non-starting state?

Good luck, and keep us posted here!
 

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I can help you, as far as information anyway.

First thing, (as asked by Spectraman) Do the lights dim when you turn the key to the start position?

Can you hear small "click" from the underhood fuse/relay box when you turn to the start position? It can be pretty quiet, so you may want some help from someone else to listen. It will be the only one "clicks" when you switch to the start position; you can also feel it if you put a finger on it. It's called the starter relay.

Let us know, and if it takes some time before it happens again, it's not a problem.
 

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Though not with a KIA, I had a problem with a Scirocco where the starter motor shorted out when it was around freezing and very humid.

After endless trips to dealer and searching it was traced to faulty insulation on the battery to starter cable that would allow the current to jump to the body on the way to the starter.

It was so slight it wouldn't do it all the time; just when the humidity was very high (like around the freezing mark on cloudy days) when the air was as good an electrical conductor as the cable. It also wouldn't do it once things had heated up under the hood. just that first start in the a.m.
 

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ok here is the update to my problem. The head mechanic at the KIA dealership has changed the starter, starter relay and neutral safty switch. And still on cool damp mornings she no go. So he has gone the extra mile and came to my house at 5:30 am on sat to see if it would start .... it did (ain't that the way) so he told me he would come back monday morning and he would try it again ... he did and it did not start (this is a good thing) he got it to go and he took my car to the shop and gave me his for the day . I have no idea what he is going to change today but I will call him and let him know about the starter wire problem and see if he can replace that as well. Thank you all for all of your help and I will keep you posted on my on going issue. Please keep the ideas comming.
 

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That's awesome. You don't find service like that in many places. Be sure to let us know what he finds because it soulds like he already changed all the obvious stuff.
 

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tues nov-8 update
The kia tech showed up at 5:30 am this morning after having changed the fuse panel and a few conectors in the ignition system yesterday. So at 5:30 this morning complete with dew on the window and cool out .... IT STARTED yay. He is going to show up at my place every morning this week to find out if we have finally fixed the issue. Lets hope this is the end of my almost year of problems.
One thing about all of this B.S. is that I got to drive a few (same class) rental cars ...ie: civic , corola , elantra and a sentra. I can honestly say that I would not trade my spectra5 for any of them. More updates to come, stay tuned.
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Glad to hear about the great service from your dealer.

Mine (under 3,000 KM's) started fine in it first frosty days but its something that can happen to any vehicle new or otherwise. I had a non start problem with a brand new Scirocco and a somewhat similar problem (coil wire spark jumping to the body which would cause the engine to turn over endlessly but never start in humid weather) with a brand new Escort a few years ago.

Humid days when the temp is around zero Celsius will sure test the integrity of your electrical system :)

I agree with you on how the Spectra is way, way above anything in its supposed class (and in Canada that gets weird as a lot of cars in its "class" - not just Japanese cars but VW Golf and Jetta - are thousands more).

When I pull out to pass a vehicle doing 90 KM and hit 140 before I'm even past their front bumper, I have no doubt I bought the right vehicle :beer:
 

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I seems if you climb the ladder high enough and rattle some chains you might get lucky and get what you think is right. They "KIA Canada" have desided to replace my car after just a about a year of attempting to fix it. I got a hold of the gentle man one below the president and less than a day later the wheels started to spin my way for a change. I would like to thank all that gave me some help here and wish you all the best with you KIA's, as for me I am a day or 2 away from sitting in a no problem car I HOPE.
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Like I read here in another place, thats great that you found a tech like that. I see your in Canada but thats as specific as you get. In that same vane, I am here as well and have had problems that have given me the opportunity to visit Kia dealers throughout the west. I have been impressed with none of them except my last visit to the west of my city. This is now my permanent source,...unless I move.


Great service but unfortunately way accross the city. We need more dealers.
 

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Glad KMA Canada is taking care of you.
For anyone else having problems. California (and most other states)has a "Lemon-law". If after 3 repair attempts for the same complaint the issue is not resolved, owners have the right to consult with the BBB for arbitration and possible vehicle replacment.
Also I might add several 2002 Altima'a had a similar issue in cold weather, there were 2 issues.
1. questionable quality relays (grey starter relay) that will stick open in cold weather conditions.
2. Poor contacts to the interior fuse box harness connectors. I repaired several vehicles that had intermittent electrical issues on various circuits.
Reach behind the fuse box and tug on the main wiring harness connectors.(Gently) NONE of them should "Pop" out of the fuse box, EVER! If one connector does pop out......you just may have found your poor connection. reinsert it into the fusebox until it Clicks and locks into place.
Some assembly procedures at the factory are difficult to stretch a cold wiring harness into submission while unstalling into the car. It's not uncommon to find a wiring harness connector somewhere in the vehicle that isnt completely locked into position.
Starter solenoid/bendix sticking issues are usually noticed in warm/hot underhood conditions. Gently tapping the stater motor case while someone holds the key in the start position will usually verify that condition. You may also hear a loud click but no starter operation.
The tech may have found a broken connector lock tab or something else that required replacing the fusebox, to ensure the same thing didnt happen again.
Ive seen that also on some harness connectors.
Peace!
 
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