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Everyone here has been so wonderfu. Thank you.

I think the person who suggested I have a pressure problem was right. It would even explain my pressure sensor blowout from a year or so ago.

Anyways, the valve just spins and spins along with this brass ring that must be the threads. The valve unscrewed about a quarter inch before this problem started.

What’s the best solution? Is there anyway to get the PCV valve out?

Or must I replace the whole freaking valve cover?
 

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I've not "run into" that situation with that problem to be able to tell you, and a lot depends on tools you have to work with to try and secure the brass fitting from spinning while gently turning the PCV valve to get it out...Patience is a virtue when trying to overcome a problem that is out of the normal remove and replace scenario.
 

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Dear MIA KIA,

I get what you say about the Haynes manual. In the past, they seemed to lack sufficient detail to be useful. I was concerned especially the info I needed (torque and torque sequence) might not be included. I’m attempting this repair myself primarily to a financial limitation. Otherwise, I would get someone else to do it.

Also, I should point out that all has gone well up to the PCV Valve removal issue. There’s no way I could’ve predicted that the thread system was so cheesy that the part couldn’t be unscrewed. Except, of course, it is a Kia. But, it’s been a good car for 13+ years. I bought it in December of 2006.

Anyways, I’m perplexed about the PCV valve removal. I don’t think Haynes will help me here. Will you please?




The one with the arrow to it is the PCV valve(the one with residual foam covering it) the other is the port for equalizing air and goes to the air cleaner assembly.
PCV is a threaded fit and if is just spins is probably stripped plastic threads of the Valve cover Does not need to be removed to remove the valve cover itself.Once that is off, the PCV can be "flush" cleaned with with spray carb cleaner or spray "Brake Klean", the spring and valve inside the PCV is what you'll want to be concerned about cleaning out of hardened oil vapor residues.
You really should have spent the $18.00 at any auto parts store for the Haynes repair manual for your vehicle. My daughter is permanently residing 65 miles away, so there is no time soon to go get it from her.
 

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Once again I don't know what tools you have on hand to do anything with. All I can suggest at this point is a pair of needle nose vice grip pliers(and may have to narrow down their jaw width to fit between the valve and bushing). And also to get a spray can of a good penetrating oil like PB brand Blaster and soak the threaded area and let it "soak" there for at least 20 minutes before trying to turn out the valve. I'm sorry, but this is an area where your ingenuity has to be put to use if you are going to continue in this DIY attempt.
LAST hope is take the cover to a reputable independent shop as see if they can help you out for a few bucks. Ultimate last doing would be to acquire a replacement Valve Cover.
 

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Would removing the plate with the 20 screws from the inside of the valve cover give me access that might facilitate PCV Valve removal?



Once again I don't know what tools you have on hand to do anything with. All I can suggest at this point is a pair of needle nose vice grip pliers(and may have to narrow down their jaw width to fit between the valve and bushing). And also to get a spray can of a good penetrating oil like PB brand Blaster and soak the threaded area and let it "soak" there for at least 20 minutes before trying to turn out the valve. I'm sorry, but this is an area where your ingenuity has to be put to use if you are going to continue in this DIY attempt.
LAST hope is take the cover to a reputable independent shop as see if they can help you out for a few bucks. Ultimate last doing would be to acquire a replacement Valve Cover.
 

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Would removing the plate with the 20 screws from the inside of the valve cover give me access that might facilitate PCV Valve removal?
I stated before that I have not had to personally go that far to remove that plate. So I would then not know the answer to your question.
I don't do auto repair for a living anymore to be "up to date" with the latest vehicles or to be "in depth" with them. I just take care of my own family's numerous make vehicles now.
I know that running into a unforseen problem is NO FUN, especially when in unfamiliar "territory"...Hang in there!
 

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UPDATE: (1) Removing the plate from inside the valve cover does not improve access to the PCV valve. As you can see in the pic, the PCV is in a molded housing that prevents access.

To me, it looks as though a very small gasket ran along the molded ridges of the underside. That gasket is mostly gone.

QUESTION: How important do you think that gasket is? Should I put gasket maker on it, or just leave it be?

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UPDATE: (2) I Got the PCV valve out (along with the threaded brass fitting). I'm going to use JD Weld to put it back in. Is that OK?

Prybars didn't work. I put a pipe on the end of my ratchet handle and rocked the valve back and forth until it came out.

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The screws weren't very tight to begin with. When I put them back, they're pretty snug, but not over-tightened. Should I use Loctite, do you think?

That depends entirely on how they come out and re secure when putting back together. Yes if they don't "snug up" well, they MAY "back out" and fall onto valve train components(not a good thing). There are automotive sealing products like Loctite thread lock that can be purchased from any auto parts store. People there can assist in which is needed for your task.
On the "plus side"...you've made good progress in getting the valve cover off, Hang in there!
 

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You've made great progress, and your thread WILL help others! You may want to consider JB Weld for PLASTICS rather than the regular JB weld...I've been there done that when trying to repair other items. Make sure it is WELL CURED(hardened) before putting things back together, and you ARE installing a NEW PCV Valve...right?
A good cleaning out of the "gunk" and reassembly should suffice, but if you want some form a gasket ot high tack is not going to hurt anything. Biggest thing to be sure of is that the screws are well tightened and not "sloppy" feeling.
Congrats...you're getting there! :)
 

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Yes. I am operating under the assumption that the PCV valve is bad. I’m getting a new one right now.

I appreciate all your advice. Thank you.

The least I can do is provide photos and other info that will make this thread valuable to others who attempt this repair.
 

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UPDATE: (1) Removing the plate from inside the valve cover does not improve access to the PCV valve. As you can see in the pic, the PCV is in a molded housing that prevents access.

To me, it looks as though a very small gasket ran along the molded ridges of the underside. That gasket is mostly gone.

QUESTION: How important do you think that gasket is? Should I put gasket maker on it, or just leave it be?

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No gasket under the vent baffle to the underside of the rocker cover.
Just clean her up and tighten all the screws. NOT battleship tight!
Your doing an excellent job. And Mia Kia has been an outstanding asset helping walk you through this!
Don't forget to get the sludge out of the underside of the cover and cylinder head spring deck cavity.
You may want to switch to full synthetic oil with premium filter. It should help with the sludge build up your getting.
 

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Yes. I am operating under the assumption that the PCV valve is bad. I’m getting a new one right now.

I appreciate all your advice. Thank you.

The least I can do is provide photos and other info that will make this thread valuable to others who attempt this repair.
Yes, please! This will help out countless lost souls!
 

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Good News. It’s all assembled and it runs.

I think I’ll change the oil now.

Thank you for your support.
That's GREAT NEWS!... But what of the original complaint of the OIL MISTING???? :whistle::)
 

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OH! The original problem... this all started because a mist of oil was spraying through the valve cover gasket. It was accumulating on the hot think in front of the engine and then dripping to the exhaust below.

This thread helped me identify the valve cover gasket as the point of failure.

Replacing the valve cover gasket solved this problem. In other words, the mist no longer sprays out.


That's GREAT NEWS!... But what of the original complaint of the OIL MISTING???? :whistle::)
 

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A successful ending and a great help from many members on this site!

This is exactly how these automotive forums should function.

I nominate this thread as 'good example of the year'.
 

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A successful ending and a great help from many members on this site!

This is exactly how these automotive forums should function.

I nominate this thread as 'good example of the year'.
Yes, this is a prime example of the member detailing his problem allowing the experienced auto enthusiasts to assist.

And here's an example of how its NOT done:

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