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I like this truck better every day I own it. I have had very few problems with it and the once stiff suspension has really broken in and settled down. I am really happy I purchased this truck. The only thing I really have a problem with is the transmission shift programs seem to be biased for fuel economy and not good off the line performance. Other than that I'm 110% satisfied with it so far. No squeaks no rattles even the leather still looks showroom new after 7000 miles. I get compliments all the time and people asking what it is. KIA really needs to figure out how to market this truck better. I love the V8 It gets great mileage and still puts a smile on my face every time I get behind the wheel.
 

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I agree

I have had my Borrego for 9 months and 11,500 miles... and I am so happy I went with it. Now that my engine is broke in I get a solid 20mpg with mixed driving. I drive more now that even. I always volunteer to take my car instead of others.

I just wish there were more accessories available to slick it up a bit more.
 

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ON YOU NEXT VISIT TO YOUR DEALER REQUEST SA016, SERVICE ACTION IN REGUARDS TO UPDATED SHIFT REPROGRAM, MAYBE IT WILL ADRESS SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS KPS

I like this truck better every day I own it. I have had very few problems with it and the once stiff suspension has really broken in and settled down. I am really happy I purchased this truck. The only thing I really have a problem with is the transmission shift programs seem to be biased for fuel economy and not good off the line performance. Other than that I'm 110% satisfied with it so far. No squeaks no rattles even the leather still looks showroom new after 7000 miles. I get compliments all the time and people asking what it is. KIA really needs to figure out how to market this truck better. I love the V8 It gets great mileage and still puts a smile on my face every time I get behind the wheel.
 

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I've only got 3K on my Limited, but, I am more impressed with it each time I drive it. I agree with whoever said that Kia has done a very poor job of marketing this vehicle.
I think there is a certain "stigma" about buying a Hyundia/Kia product. As their vehicles get more established (advertized), that preception will improve. Meanwhile, I am enjoying the fruits of my research in the mid-size SUV market.
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We had a Mercedes ML500 prior to the EXV8. The ML suffered a head on and was totaled. It was a nice car but I really didn't like to drive it. Too much sway and rough ride. Plenty of power but it sucked up premium gas like it was going out of style. While shopping for the replacement I accidently came across the Borrego and test drove one as well as a bunch of other SUV's. After the head on accident the wife didn't want a small car. She also told me she wasn't that impressed with the ML 500. I took her for a Borrego test drive, the price was right and she loved the way it looks and handled and we are so glad we bought it. The ride is smooth and quiet and best of all instead of filling up twice a week we now fill up once every 7 days. Same daily route to work and home as when we had the ML500. And I like to drive it every chance I get. This car feels like it has the same amount of power as the ML did only it's quieter plus we got a lot more accessories for less money than the Merc. We especially like the warranty as my wife tends to keep cars longer than I do. By the way, for comparison, I drive a Cadillac Seville STS. I highly recommend the Borrego. Can't wait to try it in the snow.
 

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One of the greatest characteristics of the Borrego is the platform that it is built on. The body on frame... vice body integrated with the frame (like many competitors)... is the reason why the Borrego feels so solid. The sure handling, minimal body roll, and overall secure feeling you have when driving the Borrego will always be there as a result. Point it... and it goes. You will never get that mushy, unsure feeling that you get in other vehicles, particularly unibody crossovers. This is a big deal... although some people take it for granted. It's one of the main reasons why I love driving this vehicle, over and over again.
 

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I've only got 3K on my Limited, but, I am more impressed with it each time I drive it. I agree with whoever said that Kia has done a very poor job of marketing this vehicle.
I think there is a certain "stigma" about buying a Hyundia/Kia product. As their vehicles get more established (advertized), that preception will improve. Meanwhile, I am enjoying the fruits of my research in the mid-size SUV market.
Robert V
We don't get your model in Australia, over here KIA is only a very small segment of the market. I agree that their marketing could be improved. KIAS get better magazine coverage and reviews in the USA than here, our local media has some sort of bias against them, even if they get a good review they still have to add some smart comment about Korean built cars in it. WE as owners know better and as long as a car suits its owner that is all that really matters.
 

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Too bad the Borrego was discontinued. I probably would have bought one but chose the 2010 4Runner instead. 2009's were available but resale was a big issue.
 

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I'm sure you will enjoy the 4runner... it's a great new design. I priced out a 4runner and you are looking at $10k above a similarly outfitted Borrego. If you are looking to own for 3 years and then dumping it, the resale of the 4runner would be a strong argument. If you are in it for the long haul, you are better off banking the extra $200/mo in car payment and going with the Borrego. I don't attribute the lack of sales of the Borrego to it's quality... it is much more a factor of the economic meltdown. And quality will be the biggest factor to resale in the end.

Historically, the Toyota's have done much better than Kia... and probably will continue to do so in the near future. But things are changing. The once bulletproof Toyota reputation has been taken hits in recent years. They've been having massive recalls on there trucks recently. I own a Tacoma so I've been following this. They're are currently replacing tens of thousands of Toyota frames due to them prematurely rusting away (thank goodness I live in Florida). This applies to Tacoma's, Pickups, 4Runners, Tundra's. They recently issued a new recall on the Tundra's:

Toyota recalls 100,000 Tundra trucks - Nov. 24, 2009

Tundra's have been an absolute disaster as far as reputation for quality, not only with this recall but with a slew of others.

The Toyota of today is not the Toyota of yesterday. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to "dis" your 4Runner... I'm sure it's a great truck. But I want Borrego owners to know that reputations change... and Kia is on an up swing, which is a nice place to be. The long term reputation of the Borrego (and resale value) will, in the end, be determined by the quality of the Borrego itself; which is still panning out. All indications now are that it is a great truck... so don't worry. You may find out that you will keep this one for a long while... and resale won't be a big factor anyway.
 

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3yrs. is about all I ever keep a car and unlike the Tundra, the new 4Runner is 100% made in Japan. I wish you all luck with the Borrego!
 

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Too bad the Borrego was discontinued. I probably would have bought one but chose the 2010 4Runner instead. 2009's were available but resale was a big issue.
The Borrego has not been discontinued. The 2011s will be in showrooms in April 2010. It seems KIA played it safe because of over flow inventory of 2009s they just decided not to run a 2010 model year in the US. The Mohave is alive and well in 2010 and when the 2011s arrive here in the US in April expect to see a new diesel option and a slightly re styled exterior based off of the 2009 KIA Borrego SEMA show truck. I agree Toyota seems to be in the toilet lately with there quality and unintended acceleration woes.
 

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I guess I'll just have to live with my "lemon" 4 Runner since Toyota's are junk. Hopefully the Borrego will reappear in time for me to trade up.
 

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All I was saying is that the resale value of vehicles are not set the year it's made. These are historical trends based on previous years. What you said is true about the 4Runners being less prone than the Tacomas and Tundras to rust. However, this has put a HUGE dent into the perception of Toyota's quality. This has led to a slide in recent years in their quality ratings... which is largely what has allowed them to charge the higher prices for their vehicles. Toyota trucks are being known now for being rust buckets. It's all over the internet... I follow the Toyota forums as much as the Kia ones. This perception, whether justifiable to the 4runner or not, is the current reality.

Modern Kia's are probably a lot closer to the quality of Toyota than Toyota would like to admit. I know this because I own a Kia... and I traded a Toyota Avalon in for it. I've drove them... I've worked on them. Plus I own a 2004 Tacoma btw (which I love :) ) I'm not a Toyota hater... My point is that the Borrego is solid. Period. To presume to know what the resale value will be on the Borrego is not possible at this time.

I've said this before, but I like the new 4runners... I'm just not willing to fork out the money for them. My Borrego makes me smile every time I drive it... and that's the bottom line.
 

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Smuook,I have no problem with your response, my response was to EXV8. I truly wanted the Borrego, but no 2010 was available and the future is uncertain. By the way, I have a ruler tatooed on my **ck in case we need to measure.I hope the Borrego comes back stronger than ever and makes the competition take notice... it helps keep quality up!
 

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Borrego v. RX350

I own both a 2009 Kia Borrego and a 2009 Lexus RX 350. So I've had both the best each have to offer. I have had my Lexus for a year and my Borrego for over two months. I can honestly say that I love my Borrego SO much more than my Lexus. The fit and finish is amazing, the technological differences are significantly better with the Borrego (the navigation, standard iPod connection, etc.) and the price was significantly less. The Borrego has things that the Lexus does not have - a backup sensor. There are only two things I miss - the power rear trunk door and built in blue tooth. But the biggest thing I like about my Borrego is the V8 engine. It purrs and is so much fun to drive. I smile everything I drive it.
 

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I agree about the rear trunk... they could have done that better. At least they could have had it pop open... not just unlock. Small issue, but could easily be fixed.
 
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