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Hi,

I just got a second hand Kia Cee'd SW 1.6 eco dynamics from 2010. It has about 67,000km.

I am finding 2nd gear to be a bit clunky and rough to get into. Has anyone else experienced this? Its not bad enough that I feel I need to get it looked at but should I get it looked at to make sure it doesnt get any worse? Is this or any other potential problems that arise from it likely to be covered by Kia's 7 year warranty?

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Provided its got a full service history as per Kias requirements you will be covered, if no service history you will be on your own.
 

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I think it's the characteristics of the 'box personally, 2nd can sometimes be a bit notchy for me too, especially when coming down from 3rd, and even more when the engines cold. I've read road tests and forums that say the same too so unless it's really bad I wouldn't worry about it too much
 

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The early Ceed diesels prior to the face lift had a reputation for having a notchy gearchange (did not affect all cars) but the post facelift models were modified to improve matters, think all the diesels have a 6 speed box. The 6 speed box in our 2010 car is near perfect thus if the warranty on your 2010 car is intact I would get it looked at.
 

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Notchy is a good way to describe it. It feels like I have to push through 2 notches .. all the other gears are fine .. it's under he guarantee so I'll ask them to have a look for me .. thanks
 

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Notchy is a good way to describe it. It feels like I have to push through 2 notches .. all the other gears are fine .. it's under he guarantee so I'll ask them to have a look for me .. thanks
Hello Boyweevil. I now drive my 08 pro ceed most of the time with my wife only diving when I am starting to get tired. She has always complained about the notchy gearbox and moans for the past on Octavia. She is eighty one and quite a lightweight, so I suppose she has to be excused.
It does feel like it wants a bit of heel and toe to help the synchromesh engage, like the gearboxes of long ago.
Don’t get me wrong about her being eighty one, she has driven for fifty five years and still never had a bump of any sort. I go to sleep whenever she takes over and I am a nervous passenger
 

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The problem with all things like this is trying to quantify "normal". For me it seems excessive as sometimes I have two jolts to put it into second but I don't know if this is like all creed transmissions. I also don't even know how to describe it really .. It's just different to my last car! Thanks for your feedback though
 

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I came from a xsara with a silky smooth box. I drive different cars regularly through Avis and work. Our family has 3 picanto's and an i10 which I also drive on occasion and I have a mark 2 SW and I have got to say that the Ceed has the most notchy, hard to work box out of all of them. It is impossible to do a nippy 4, 3, 2 down the box without it baulking. This is on top of the transmission clonk that it has developed which apparently, according to the dealer is normal. If I wasn't so happy with the rest of the car, I would be well peed off with it.
 

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I came from a xsara with a silky smooth box. I drive different cars regularly through Avis and work. Our family has 3 picanto's and an i10 which I also drive on occasion and I have a mark 2 SW and I have got to say that the Ceed has the most notchy, hard to work box out of all of them. It is impossible to do a nippy 4, 3, 2 down the box without it baulking. This is on top of the transmission clonk that it has developed which apparently, according to the dealer is normal. If I wasn't so happy with the rest of the car, I would be well peed off with it.
I find it difficult to describe the behaviour through words. Notchy and clonk and baulky sound like they may refer to the same thing but I could be wrong :confused:. Sometimes, when I change into second gear, I encounter resistence and after a half a second or so it pops into gear. It doesnt grind though (i think). Other times, it almost feels like it encounters resistence twice (like there is two pops). Does sound like what you experience when you change gears?

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Boyweevil, yes, that half second delay is called baulking. It is usually the delay time as the synchroniser ring spins up to speed to let the selector dogs drop into mesh. It is slower on the ceed, than on the picanto's and athers. Presume that you knew that all the gears are permanently in mesh and dog rings lock them in turn, to the input shaft. That noise when you mess up a gear change, that everyone thinks is the gears, is in fact the dogs trying to lock in. The notchiness is the feel through the gear stick as the linkage goes over the detents (the things that make the pressure that you feel as you push the stick from the neutral gate into a gear. and the clonk is something totally seperate. That is when I lift the clutch and something in the drive train literally 'clonks'. Hope this clears up the vernacular. or have Iconfused things even more.
 

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Boyweevil, yes, that half second delay is called baulking. It is usually the delay time as the synchroniser ring spins up to speed to let the selector dogs drop into mesh. It is slower on the ceed, than on the picanto's and athers. Presume that you knew that all the gears are permanently in mesh and dog rings lock them in turn, to the input shaft. That noise when you mess up a gear change, that everyone thinks is the gears, is in fact the dogs trying to lock in. The notchiness is the feel through the gear stick as the linkage goes over the detents (the things that make the pressure that you feel as you push the stick from the neutral gate into a gear. and the clonk is something totally seperate. That is when I lift the clutch and something in the drive train literally 'clonks'. Hope this clears up the vernacular. or have Iconfused things even more.
Thanks Dowdeswell, that is now perfectly clear. Good explanation. So what I have is notchiness (which I can deal with) and excessive baulkiness which is annoying. However, it's not actually clunky.

It sounds like the baulkiness is reasonably normal for this car. It's a bit annoying as sometimes it takes longer than half a second to engage. Could this be a synchro with a problem? It is also sounds like if I engage the clutch and wait a bit longer to engage the gear, it should give the synchro time to match the speed and allow the dog teeth to engage. I must try this tomorrow.

Any one else had a transmission that doesn't exhibit this????

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Can't say mine is much worse than most cars I have driven. It's not slick but part of the problem is that going from left to right up the gears is better suited to left hand drive, where changes are made with just push-pull arm movements by bending the elbow. In right hand drive, it needs a rotation at the shoulder. It would be better being a mirror image.
 

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I find it difficult to describe the behaviour through words. Notchy and clonk and baulky sound like they may refer to the same thing but I could be wrong :confused:. Sometimes, when I change into second gear, I encounter resistence and after a half a second or so it pops into gear. It doesnt grind though (i think). Other times, it almost feels like it encounters resistence twice (like there is two pops). Does sound like what you experience when you change gears?

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i experienced the same thing as you did...

what i didnt get is is there a fix for this 'problem' or is it like it is...
 

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Boyweevil, yes, that half second delay is called baulking. It is usually the delay time as the synchroniser ring spins up to speed to let the selector dogs drop into mesh. It is slower on the ceed, than on the picanto's and athers. Presume that you knew that all the gears are permanently in mesh and dog rings lock them in turn, to the input shaft. That noise when you mess up a gear change, that everyone thinks is the gears, is in fact the dogs trying to lock in. The notchiness is the feel through the gear stick as the linkage goes over the detents (the things that make the pressure that you feel as you push the stick from the neutral gate into a gear. and the clonk is something totally seperate. That is when I lift the clutch and something in the drive train literally 'clonks'. Hope this clears up the vernacular. or have Iconfused things even more.
I thing my Cee'd has similar problem. I made a video to visualize the problem to Dealer. No solution so far. If I pull strongly it makes notchy noise. This video shows what happens when I change gears gently. Gear lever bumps over something and makes this noise.

https ://youtu.be/B5TLo_wv-_4

Please share your experiences and advices.
 
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