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I owned a '97 Sportage previously. Bought the car for RM 8000 (about 2600 USD. I'm from Malaysia, RM stand for Ringgit Malaysia which mean Malaysia dollar, about RM 3 to 1 USD currently). I chose this car because it fit my budget and I like off road driving and my family all are driving Hilux and Land Cruiser. Drove the car home happily after all the process of transfer of ownership. I love the car so much. It was my 1st car and also my very own car in my life. All that little feature not available in the car from the same class made it so special. But that happiness only last for few days and problem started.

Rough & hunting idling rpm. It stall every time I shift into D, stop at traffic light, traffic jam, etc. The brake become soft and not efficient at all. Fuel consumption go so high that a full tank only result in less than 300km.My DTC reader can't read it because it uses a 20 pin DLC located in the engine bay, not the typical 16 pin OBD 2. Shorted the DLC for diagnostic and a bunch of code pop up, TPS, IAC, O2, list goes on. Almost everything.

I changed the plugs, added ground cables & bypassed the fuel pump relay. Every time after I did something to it, it goes better for few days, and turn into evil again.

And one day, after a loud pop from engine, it can't be started anymore. Send the car to a workshop, and they replaced CMP, CKP, MAF, IAC, coils & plugs & cables, cost me RM 2200 (about 700 USD), the car start but the problem is still the same, it still stall whenever I slow down. I have to put to N every time I stop.

And new problem came. The engine overheat if I trapped in jam for long time. Yeah I know it's the fan clutch, but in my country I can't find replacement for it. For that I bought a 16" electric fan and modded into the existing shroud. It might be that the fan not strong enough or I didn't fit it properly, it still overheat after jam for too long, say 1 hour. It's fine for me because I don't usually trap in jam for more than 30 mins.

I done all the possible remedy found in this forum, cleaned that IAC, TPS connector, and check for vacuum leaks. Spray carb cleaner around and doesn't make any changes. No difference. I have no vacuum gauge by that time but I can feel the pulling is weak. My instinct told me there must be some vacuum leak. I try looking up and down, still no clue.

Few days later, it dies again and cannot be started, again. I was really disappointed by then and feel angry and sad. That's my only car to commute to and from work everyday. I called the workshop who repaired my car earlier but they told me "none of my business since you already drove the car back, that mean the car is ok, we have no responsibilities at all".

Fine, I got another shop recommended by a friend. Send the car there, they told me the ECU is burn and they have to replace it. I have no idea what to do so I told them do what is needed to bring the car back to normal condition. They "REPAIRED" the ECU (I'm not sure what they did, at least it is written so on the receipt) and charged me RM 1600 (about 550 USD).

The car is back and running again, but hell the same problem is still there. I was really tired and disappointed so I decided to sell the car. I talked to a used car dealer and they will only pay me RM 4500 (1500 USD) for the car. Ok deal, I don't care anymore. I signed the documents and the next morning they will give me the cheque I'll give them the car.

And that night, suddenly something pop in my brain. I started to clamp all the vacuum hoses one by one using a rip joint. The moment I clamp the brake booster hose, hoorah, idling stable like engine is not started. Release it and it go back hunting up & down again. Damn it because I already signed all the documents.

Now the car is sold for about 7 months. I started to miss it. Honestly I love the car so much that I kept repairing even it cost me so much until I can't afford anymore. Now I got a better job with better pay. And I'm tired of driving this low and small sedan that cannot off road. Start to think if I should buy back one more Sportage. But I worry the nightmare will start all over again.

Here in Malaysia, for that budget, the available 4WD is only Sportage or Perodua Kembara, which is a Malaysia rebadged version of Daihatsu Terios. The engine is only 1.3, with monocoque chassis, but the good thing is it comes with full time 4WD & centre diff lock. The comfort and the ride & handling of Sportage is far more superior than the Kembara. But the parts of Kembara is easily available at cheap price here.

Anywhere I can buy some parts online for Sportage and send to my country?
 

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Car repair shop probably ripped you off. They should have diagnosed vacuum leak. "Repair ECU" sounds a bit fishy as well.

Maybe find a reputable dealer who will provide a guarantee, but that's unlikely on a car as old as your beloved 1997 Sporty.

How much is a new Sporty in Malaysia?
 

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Car repair shop probably ripped you off. They should have diagnosed vacuum leak. "Repair ECU" sounds a bit fishy as well.

Maybe find a reputable dealer who will provide a guarantee, but that's unlikely on a car as old as your beloved 1997 Sporty.

How much is a new Sporty in Malaysia?
Not sure about 1G Sporty, if my memory serve me right, it was about 80-90K RM (roughly about 30K USD) The new 3G Sportage is selling RM138,888 here which is about 46K USD.

Recently I found 1 shop which is specialist in Korean car. I got many good feedback from the customer went there. That made me thinking to buy back a Sporty.

Here in Malaysia, Kia is a "cold" brand, very unpopular and not wanted by people that's why the price of the car is so cheap compare to other car of the same year and class. However when you go to repair shop, most of them will rip you with the reason that "spare parts for this car is very difficult to get" , "not much people know how to repair this car" or some even worst, they will just say something like "go other shop if you don't happy with me".

How much is a brand new IAC for Sporty in your place? Those bottle type for '97. Here in Malaysia, they quoted me RM600 (200 USD) and they do not have any stock and need to order and wait for few days.

Sorry for my lousy English :grin:
 

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Not sure about 1G Sporty, if my memory serve me right, it was about 80-90K RM (roughly about 30K USD) The new 3G Sportage is selling RM138,888 here which is about 46K USD.

Recently I found 1 shop which is specialist in Korean car. I got many good feedback from the customer went there. That made me thinking to buy back a Sporty.

Here in Malaysia, Kia is a "cold" brand, very unpopular and not wanted by people that's why the price of the car is so cheap compare to other car of the same year and class. However when you go to repair shop, most of them will rip you with the reason that "spare parts for this car is very difficult to get" , "not much people know how to repair this car" or some even worst, they will just say something like "go other shop if you don't happy with me".

How much is a brand new IAC for Sporty in your place? Those bottle type for '97. Here in Malaysia, they quoted me RM600 (200 USD) and they do not have any stock and need to order and wait for few days.

Sorry for my lousy English :grin:
Your english is impressive! A new IAC that I just replaced was $70 plus taxes.

Assuming the shipping isn't too bad, what about buying online from US stores?
 

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Your dilemma, that I see, is not which vehicle to buy, but of maintenance.

You either have to search for a mechanic that knows his stuff and is honest, or

You must study, obtain some advanced tools and get dirty..... Philip
 

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If you have the time, patience, and willingness to learn troubleshooting & repair. (And the budget to order parts online). I'd go for another Sportage, but I'd also keep the current car to use when the Sporty is down for repairs or maintenance. That way you can take the time to do things right.
 

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He sold his old car. Apparently he had signed over the car just before he discovered the problem. Not sure about Malaysian law, but I think he could have said that he'd changed his mind (after all, no money had changed hands). Maybe the dealer might have offered a "Deal that he couldn't refuse".
 

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Wry 'Cuda

Thanks, I recognize that he sold the car. I too can read and comprehend.

My advice still stands, when he decides to look for a replacement (including the small car he presently drives) ... Philip
 

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Your english is impressive! A new IAC that I just replaced was $70 plus taxes.

Assuming the shipping isn't too bad, what about buying online from US stores?
That's cheap compare to here :(
Any suggestion where I can buy and they willing to ship to Malaysia?

Your dilemma, that I see, is not which vehicle to buy, but of maintenance.

You either have to search for a mechanic that knows his stuff and is honest, or

You must study, obtain some advanced tools and get dirty..... Philip
Exactly, you got me. It's the maintenance that kill me.

Actually I just graduated from my Automotive course not long ago. Currently working in one of the Ford centre here in Malaysia. I don't mind to get dirty and I do have some knowledge in Automotive.

The problem is I do not have the proper tools to do the things on my Sportage and I don't know much about Sportage by then. And I can't find any repair manual of Sportage too. (Just download one from one of the thread here yesterday. Very informative and useful.) Japanese car dominated the automotive market in Malaysia. Most shop will know how to fix a Japanese car but when it comes to Korea brand (even it's a Mazda engine LOL), most of the shop will have no idea what and how to do it.

And for my old Sportage, it's a 20 pin DLC not 16 pin OBD 2. My reader can only read OBD 2. I tried to connect a 20 pin to 16 pin connector but the reader fail establish connection. I can only read codes from blinking CEL by shorting the DLC but cannot retrieve live data. (which I think very useful in diagnosing)

And also, the parts for Sportage in Malaysia is very limited and expensive. Do you know any web I can buy parts for Sportage and they willing to ship to Malaysia with a reasonable charges?

If you have the time, patience, and willingness to learn troubleshooting & repair. (And the budget to order parts online). I'd go for another Sportage, but I'd also keep the current car to use when the Sporty is down for repairs or maintenance. That way you can take the time to do things right.
I will still keep the existing car since it's quite economy to run and also as my spare car / 2nd car. Any suggestion where I can buy parts online? I tried ebay but for big item they do not ship outside of US.

He sold his old car. Apparently he had signed over the car just before he discovered the problem. Not sure about Malaysian law, but I think he could have said that he'd changed his mind (after all, no money had changed hands). Maybe the dealer might have offered a "Deal that he couldn't refuse".
The deal suck, seriously. I bought the car for 8K, used another 4K to repair it, and only sold it for 4.5K. But I was desperate for a "functional" car by then. I was forced to sell the car and buy another one.
 

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Or maybe can you all share with me some of the parts that are interchangeable among other car that can be use on Sportage? e.g. differential of a Mazda pick up, injector from a Porsche, IAC from a BMW etc...
 

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Hi NorthWind,
I am from Malaysia too and own a Sportage 2001. Lately, it has given me sleepless nights. Have done about 270K km on it and I love the car.

You mentioned that you have found a Korean car specialist. Please give me his contact.

My current problem is that the car wont start. It can idle for an hour or so but dies after half an hour on the road.

Please respond. My hp no. 012 4775521, Tan.
 

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Let me give a brief history on the Sportage.
1. Overheated and engine jam. Shaved cylinder head to refit. Cost about RM4K.
2. Fix NGV system. Valve broke, rebore and change pistons.
3. Wiring problem as mechanic did not handle wires properly.
4. Ran NGV for at least 200K km.
5. Water jacket broke and had to take out engine to repair.
6. Again wiring problem. Wire connector touch engine body and blew fuse.
7. Valve broke again. Change one valve and ǵrind´ valves.
8. Wiring problem again. Two piston firing only.
9. Mechanic fixed the wiring problem and now engine firing fine.
10. Remove NGV system as the car sometimes wont start or dies on the road.
11. Car starts sometimes and sometimes not. Lately, it refused to start at all.

SOS
 
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