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Looking for some tips here. :blink:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me how to safely jack up my Sorento and use jack stands with it. I would like to take all the tires off and perform a tire rotation on my own. I want to be able to rotate the spare into the mix so I can save on tire wear. I figure they put the spare on a properly mounted alumanum rim for a reason.

I know on my Neon there is a central jacking point on both the front and rear and was wondering the same on a Sorento. I have only 2 jack stands so I usually put them on the front and jack up the rear by it self.

Any hepl would be appreciated. :unsure:
 

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You do realise that with radial ply tires they should only be moved front to rear and rear to front on the same side ? As I understand it they sort of "set" to the side they're on and swapping them over (as in a 5 tire rotation) will cause added wear etc.

I've been told that the best thing is to leave the spare as the spare and only use it if you fit the same tires again. For example if you're buying 2 new tyres for the front, you actually buy 1 and use the spare for the other and move one to the spare (hope that makes sense).

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From my readings of yesteryears, I do recall that even radial tires can be rotated in a cross pattern. There are however two conditions that must be satisfied for this. The easiest to see is the tread pattern of the tire. Usually, tires that are designed to have superior aquaplaning resistance have a tread pattern that are not symmetrical in the direction of rotation. Visually, these tires are characterized with an exaggerated V-groove that is designed to displace as much water as possible in its path. I do recall seeing an arrow embossed in one tire of this type. The second condition, which only tire professionals usually know, is the directional bias of the ply. If the ply of the tire is arranged radially outward exactly, then this tire can be rotated in a cross pattern. However, if the plies have a slight bias or angle (to add to the stiffness of the tire), then tire rotation may not be done in a cross pattern. Doing so will cause the ply to weaken (due to the change in direction the plies bend as the tire rotates) and may cause the tire to fail. :crying:

Whereas the more conservative option is to rotate tires in a front-to-back and back-to-front pattern, there is an advantage in involving all 5 tires come tire rotation time. Considering that the Sorento appears to be fitted with only 3 brands/types of tires (Hankook, Michelin or Kumho) perhaps somebody can ask around if these tires may be rotated in a cross-pattern?
 

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From my readings of yesteryears, I do recall that even radial tires can be rotated in a cross pattern. There are however two conditions that must be satisfied for this. The easiest to see is the tread pattern of the tire. Usually, tires that are designed to have superior aquaplaning resistance have a tread pattern that are not symmetrical in the direction of rotation. Visually, these tires are characterized with an exaggerated V-groove that is designed to displace as much water as possible in its path. I do recall seeing an arrow embossed in one tire of this type. The second condition, which only tire professionals usually know, is the directional bias of the ply. If the ply of the tire is arranged radially outward exactly, then this tire can be rotated in a cross pattern. However, if the plies have a slight bias or angle (to add to the stiffness of the tire), then tire rotation may not be done in a cross pattern. Doing so will cause the ply to weaken (due to the change in direction the plies bend as the tire rotates) and may cause the tire to fail.

Whereas the more conservative option is to rotate tires in a front-to-back and back-to-front pattern, there is an advantage in involving all 5 tires come tire rotation time. Considering that the Sorento appears to be fitted with only 3 brands/types of tires (Hankook, Michelin or Kumho) perhaps somebody can ask around if these tires may be rotated in a cross-pattern?
 

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I have heard that radial tires cant be rotated in the cross pattern . Once the tires are on one side of the vehicle they should stay on that side becasue if you move them to the other side the tire is spinning the opposite way it once was. I did rotate a set of radials in the cross pattern once and I will never do it again. My mechanic even told me to never to it again. The truck rode really rough and I had a hard time keeping it on the road. They were a set of Michelin tires on my Toyota truck.
 

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:eek:fftopic: We seemed to get a little off topic here. :innocent:

I was looking for advise as to where to put jack stands under the front and whether there was a centraltral rear area I could jack up the entire rear end so as to use only 2 jackstands on the front. I was also wondering if there was a central area on the front as well so as to only have to jack up the front once. I can do this with my Dodge Neon and wonderd if it was possible with the Sorento.


As for the tire rotation part according to the owners manual it tells me to do just what I outlined in my first question of rotation. There is a provision to use the spare as I feel KIA intended. Get the most out of your tires while you can.

The tires on my Sorento are non directional. Basically this means the tire can be put anywhere on the vehicle regardless as to where is started out life front, rear, left, right. Each of those spots have their own wear characteristics and that's why tire and car manufacturers recommend you rotate your tires every 12000 km so they each have a turn in different spots.

I did this with my Sedona and I had the original set on when I tranded it after 75000 KM. Know that said they were starting to get hard as rubber does when it ages and I would have had to replace them before the next winter had I kept the van but my lease was up so why worry. All 5 tires had more than enough tred on them and they all passed a safety with flying colours.

The tires mentioned with the arrow are directional tires and you are right they can only go on the back of the same side the started if they are the same size front to rear. Corvettes, Ferrari's, Porches and many high end sports cars and sedans have been using these tires for years. They are all developed in conjunction with the 2 companies to give the optimal handling characteristics.

That said Sorentos at least in the North American market have regular tires that can go anywhere on the vehicle. :thumbsup:
 

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Sorry, only trying to save you some grief, all the tyre specialists I've talked to in town state absolutely that NO RADIAL PLY TYRE SHOULD BE CHANGED SIDE TO SIDE, but your call, if it works for you, heh. As I say, only trying to help.

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Derek :unsure:

PS: can't help on the jacking side of things I'm afraid.
 

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Just put the jack in the middle of the frame and jack up one side at a time. Make sure this is a real floor jack and not the one included with the vehicle as it's not designed for this.

If you want to jack up the entire rear, just put the floor jack under the differential/pumpkin.

As for the front, you'd have to remove the skid plates and jack it up by the crossmember under them.
 

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Thanks for the help KiaMech. I wasn't sure you could use the diff as a jack source. Good to know I can. Thanks for the tips all. :liebe011:
 
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