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Well it's me again. Ordered the timing belt comp. kit thru rockauto(yes H2O pump) today I have the Haynes book and all needed tools. But having not done the 2.0 kia motor for a timing belt before,what kind of time should I expect to have it down for this "chore"?Yes it has been doing good since closing my previous P0139 thread, Now on to replacing the TB as I am not sure that it was ever done before we got it. Still have the daughter issue of not wanting to give it up for any length of time, so I thought I would reach out for a time estimate and any troublesome quirks to watch out for during disassembly.This way I can inform the daughter on how to arrange her "lifestyle" without her ride.:laugh:
 

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Wow, all this talk of the importance of "timely" timing belt replacement and no responses from our resident DIYers as to length of time on the 2.0? I have done more than my share of TB's on many makes of car. Doing it is not the issue, just trying to figure amount of time to set aside for the job.
 

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there is no definite answer to that...

with all specialty tools, hoist, good access, I could do it in 2 hours.
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on the floor, with a bottle jack, "regular" tools, some invention to undo and then redo the crank bolt, and such - 5 hours or could be more.

that is with assumption everything goes smoothly and nicely.

I did twin cam '07 V6 Rondo in about 7 hours including water pump. I did '09 Accent in 5 hours.
All without hoist and using "starter trick" to undo the bolt and then by redo it by clamping serpentine belt.

Advice - remove all spark plugs. Much easier to turn the engine... and it will not jump itself due to compression.
 

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Thank you for the reply, Yes it would be on a floor with jackstands(no hoist) and I have the procedures for the motor, Just trying to gauge a time frame as I have to adjust for a partially impaired hand and bad back, but seems like should be able to do it then in about 5 to 6 hours(basically a day). I can tell the daughter 1 workday that we need to make other transport arrangements for her. I want to get this done ASAP as from the many threads to the consequences of putting it off.
I will have no problem with the crank bolt, but am curious if the pulley itself is a "bear" to get off. Many TB jobs I have done the pulley has come right off, just want to make sure I have my gear/pulley puller "on site" when I go into the "chore" if it is going to be needed.
And def yes on pulling the spark plugs. And air tools(I have) are soo nice for certain things.
 

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trying to gauge a time frame as I have to adjust for a partially impaired hand and bad back, but seems like should be able to do it then in about 5 to 6 hours(basically a day).
Caution, with these impairments you may be looking at a longer stint..

Recently replaced a rear wheel bearing (in younger days 1.5hrs)..

This time 6+ (bad back and Lupus)...Then literally crawled onto couch.. and down to 3 days..

... Philip
 

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Thank you, The reason for the thread, not a stranger to doing TB's, just have not done a 2.0 kia. I start Sat. night going over the "steps" in the haynes book I have(waiting up for son's prom night to end and know he makes it home!
 

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The really hard part for me was reinstallling the pulleys onto the new water pump. The old one has a key to help keep the pulleys aligned, but the new ones usually do NOT. This particular step really kicked my ass, and it took me over an hour just to get it in. Ultimately I used some ultra tacky grease to help hold the pulleys in place as I threaded the bolts in. Ratcheting wrenches are your friend for the water pump pulleys.

Dismount the power steering reservoir. There is no need to remove it. Same with the AC lines. I was unable to break the crank pulley bolt with my (weak) impact gun, so I used a cheater pipe and bumped the starter. Broke it easy. The pulley came right off. You might have to tap it with a mallet, but shouldn't fight much at all. When you put the new timing belt on, it might be slightly too tight to easily fit on both the cams. I had to use a ratchet to ease one of the cams back ever so slightly to catch the belt. Then with the tension it was just barely lined up with the timing marks. Rotating through confirmed everything was nice and lined up. This is also a good time to replace the AC belt. It's on the very bottom, and commonly neglected. When I did mine, the little rubber seal on the timing cover same off. If that happens, reattach it with something like "shoe goo" which is made specifically for plastic/rubber. RTV would work fine, too. Oh, good luck removing the water pump seal. No real room to fit a scraper in, and I don't think you could get a mini angle grinder in there, either. I was attacking that with a razor blade for quite some time, too.

Anyways, have fun. That's the important part! Let us know if you need anything. I'll try to check back here regularly (though I often forget).
 

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Disassembly went easy, I believe i had it out in about 1.25 hours. But i struggled with loosening the idler pulley, it was on there (Loctite red?) and I ended up having to heat it up, and still I broke a 3/8 extension in the process, so i got my 1/2 tools out and gave it another heating and finally got it. I panicked on my final few attempts because i knew that if the head of the bolt twists off there would be no other way to get it out without drilling, which means remove the engine. The next obstacle was figuring how the auto tensioner works, that took me many attempts and spent over an hour just on that. And lastly (as mentioned above) reinstalling the water pump pulley having about an inch of clearance to work with, the trick is to jack up the engine so the pulley is slightly above the tight clearance area.
 

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Thanks all for the responses! I went to start on it today but the RAINS came and working out in the open was not my idea of having fun with this "chore". Anyway I had the upper cover off and the belt looked surprisingly good, I have seen MUCH worse looking timing belts at lesser age than this. So while the rains gently fell I cranked the motor (by hand) and checked the WHOLE belt. Lo and behold if a nice big white GATES emblem and # showed up against the black belt. I have a suspicion that the belt has been replaced once already now. So as the rains were coming heavier, I put all back together and will fight for another day to have it from the daughter to do. At least in my mind , I am satisfied that it will last a good while yet!
 

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Completely forgot about this thread of mine...Well 2 years later, the complete timing kit is installed! It was done at least one time before we got the car as all parts were stamped GATES, and whoever did it did not mount the tensioner into the soft plug recess. Took 8 hrs time, as the various accessory belt adjusters were all seized up,so had to take more time in getting apart, cleaning and anti seizing them. New accessory belts and oil and filter change! Belt good to 193K miles, should it live that long..JUST A BELT next time!
 

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5/25/19 UPDATE: with the little car 50 miles away,my daughter called and said that the car is squealing on start up again with the new belts. I'm hoping they come here for Memorial day and bring the car so I can recheck the various belt tensions and hoping that the new belts are just "stretching in" and just need adjustment.
SAD to think that most cars from 09 use auto belt tensioner with a single serpentine belt...Not so with this little car!
 

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Well they din't come out for the holiday, but the wife and I were "in the area" on the 26th. So we stopped in for a SHORT visit and I took a quick look at the belts, all is fine, I found she was leaving the A/C control on so that at start up was engaging the compressor.I think this may be a bit too much "load" at start and shut that feature off and re tried starting before we left...no squeal!
Told daughter to try it for a while like that...oh the look of "inconvenience" she gave but said she'd do that..no calls of squealing complaints yet! Due to our area, A/C is NOT a high demand use feature, but by the squeal symptom, could she be having some developing A/C trouble? Once running and A/C turned on the A/C works fine(nice and cold)!
 

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Although updated on another thread of mine, I should also not leave this one hanging open ended.
Finally made schedules meet and got the car for the weekend. Checked all belts and pulleys(and bearings), turns out to have been caused by worn out power steering fluid that I flushed out and renewed with new oil. GEE it was only 10 years old and 130+k miles on it....... ;)
 
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