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I operate a ceed 3 1.6 crdi auto it has now covered just over 7000 miles and in my opinion it has poor fuel consumption. I went from Cambridge to Kendal
and back, two drivers, 90 % on the A1 and 90% on cruise control at the max speed of 60mph, total mileage 506 miles and the return was 46 mpg
It does 30 mpg around town. Kia and Agent state thats ok.
In my opinion it is not worth going diesel for the lower price of petrol and the higher cost of sevicing a diesel engine. ie, the cost of oil changes servicing injectors and filters.:(
 

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Sorry to disappoint derek c but your fuel consumption for your Ceed 3 matches mine and I got my motor backi in 2008. Using winter tyres it drops another four MPG.
Other members have pointed out Kia and other manufactures get their figures often on a rolling road thus facing no windage. I find its general to be conned by different manufactures and fully expect it by now. Perhaps someone will publish honest figures one day? As far as diesel versus petrol costs in this country I find it hard to understand. It did favour the diesel owner at one time but now it seems producing diesel is more costly than producing petrol. I believe I read in France it is more the other way around?. Is diesel actually more expensive to produce I wonder? With regard to Injector servicing I must have been lucky with my last five diesel cars as I never found a need to have them serviced. It seems the diesel producers make it clean at least. Sorry I can’t offer any words of comfort, we are here to be conned and taxed to death by the politicos, no matter who is in power.
 

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Thank you Johnfranklyn for your reply. Yes Kia state that the fuel consumption they supply are incorrect they deduct 15% off that reading plus another 5% for a auto.
Breakdown of a barrel of crude oil is 19.5 parts petrol, 9.2 parts diesel, 4.1 parts jet fuel ( listen to those passenger air craft ) then there is other products in there until they get to the rubbish at the bottom which they set light to, to make soot and call it carbon black to which they make tyres. Who uses tyres ? Yes a con, why is petrol so expensive and the govenment want it to be kept high for their percentage
 

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Yet another owner who does not understand that the official fuel consumption figures cannot be achieved in the real world. 20% off them is correct for all makes and not just Kia.
 

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I agree SWCeed with your statement but 256 miles up the A1 and 256 miles back at 60 mph most the time on cruise control and returning 46mpg is very disapointing
 

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I agree SWCeed with your statement but 256 miles up the A1 and 256 miles back at 60 mph most the time on cruise control and returning 46mpg is very disapointing
The official figure for your car is 49.6mpg, 46mpg is only about 7% less than the official. The official on our Ceed is 60.1, on a run we can get about 56mpg, that again is 7% less than the official.

Personally I think getting only 7% less than the official on a run is brilliant. Our other car never betters 54mpg on a run and its official is 62.8mpg, that's 16% less.

Be happy, you are doing very well.
 

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My New Ceed 2 1.6 Diesel auto 38 mpg average over 1250 miles both Town & Motorway combined. Best mpg from any petrol auto I have owned was 26 mpg ,so the advantage of a diesel for me is better mpg and acceleration.
 

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I operate a ceed 3 1.6 crdi auto it has now covered just over 7000 miles and in my opinion it has poor fuel consumption. 46 mpg (Highway) 30 mpg (Town).

In my opinion it is not worth going diesel for the lower price of petrol and the higher cost of sevicing a diesel engine.
Your figures of 46/30 mpg (Imperial gallons) show that you are doing your tests OK (Highway 50% better than Town). The only way you'll do any better is by driving at constant (slowish) speeds on the highway or by doing silly econo stuff in town.

We get comparable economy from our 2.0 (Petrol) Cerato (42 Highway/30 Town), so I imagine you are somewhat disappointed with your diesel.

There was a time when diesel was a lot cheaper than petrol in Australia (something like 30% cheaper, I recall). but now its 5% more expensive. Diesel price rises are usually attributed to demand from the mining industry.

Only 10% of our cars are diesel; it used to be the preserve of "mad old uncles" chugging around in their Pugs, but now many diesels are seen as luxury items.
 

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Other members have pointed out Kia and other manufactures get their figures often on a rolling road thus facing no windage. I find its general to be conned by different manufactures and fully expect it by now. Perhaps someone will publish honest figures one day?
The figures are obtained from an official test and are the only figures manufacturers are allowed to quote. It's misleading but the manufacturers are only doing what they're told.

As far as diesel versus petrol costs in this country I find it hard to understand. It did favour the diesel owner at one time but now it seems producing diesel is more costly than producing petrol. I believe I read in France it is more the other way around?
Diesel tax in France is lower.

Part of the problem is that we buy fuel by volume which ignores energy density. Energy density (which effectively amounts to miles travelled) varies by 10% through the seasons, with diesel containing about 10% more energy than petrol. In other words, a diesel car doing 50mpg is almost directly equivalent to a petrol car doing 45mpg, all else being equal. The seasonal variation means that if the ticket price stays the same through the year, different amounts of energy are being purchased for the money.

So, when considering it in terms of units of energy purchased, it is correct for diesel to cost more then petrol, per litre. By rights, summer prices for both should be higher than winter, not the other way round.

By contrast, energy density by weight is pretty constant, with only a small difference between petrol and diesel. Technically, it would be more appropriate to buy fuel by the kilogram and to track fuel consumption in miles per kilogram.
 

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Thanks for the head up Ace demon. Understand a bit more now and not quite so resentfull at fuel production prices now. Up here in the highlands we pay on average twelve pence a ltr more than in the populated areas. A car is a must, no public transport to be seen and the less well off crofters have to dive a long way to buy a bit of shopping. Its a cruel world for them and I get a bit narked at fuel taxes. Its easy to understand why such a cheap to collect tax is popular with all governments but why can't they look a little further?
 

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With regard to Injector servicing I must have been lucky with my last five diesel cars as I never found a need to have them serviced.
You have not been lucky, that is perfectly normal. Been driving diesels in our household since 1996, most of the time we have had 2, 6 cars in total. Probably done about 250,000 miles in that time (plus another 90,000 miles in 3 petrols). Never had to have an injector serviced, not going to start worrying now.
 

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Hi johnfranklyn, Did you look at who is requiring the most out of a barrel of crude oil ? for you cannot distill diesel from a barrel of crude without distilling the others
I spent one month training in Fawley, Southampton fuel refinery
I also spent every Tuesday for three years in Buncefield fuel terminal ( the one that burnt down ) and all types of fuel came up the same pipe from Coryton given to each fuel company who put their additive in and called it's own I also believe that if we never change over from gallions to litres fuel would be cheaper for we dont understand litres we just buy it. The country would not have stood for £5 a gallion
 

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Very interesting Derek c. Its good to look at a fuller picture. Its a need to know sort of subject with the freedom of information act well and truly hidden. So brands of fuel is equal to a bit of additive, makes the Esso Shell ads rather funny.
 

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Automatics are worse on fuel economy for starters, your engine is still relatively young but I would of said it should of loosened up by now giving you better mpg. I have same engine only manual, I get 50mpg around town and I got 60mpg on a trip to france a few months ago and that was doing 70-75 on the motorways, secret is to coast up to junctions as much as possible, if your foot aint on gas and you are moving you arnt using any gogo juice, the fly wheel is turning the engine over. Try being extra careful on accelerating and judge the road ahead.
 

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secret is to coast up to junctions as much as possible, if your foot aint on gas and you are moving you arnt using any gogo juice,
As well as being dangerous and potentially illegal coasting does not save fuel, it actually wastes it in a modern car. All modern cars (petrols and diesels) have cut off that stop the flow of fuel when you foot is off the throttle and your engine revs are above normally about 1200. Thus as you approach a junction or go downhill you use no fuel providing you are in gear, put it in neutral and you use the same as if you were idling. Obviously we are not taking about much fuel but there is certainly no saving.
 

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As well as being dangerous and potentially illegal coasting does not save fuel, it actually wastes it in a modern car.
My paper copy of the Highway Code 2001 para 102 says "do not coast". Without the words "should" or "must" means it is not an order. In the current online version, para 122, the phrase has been removed. So even officialdom doesn't consider it to be dangerous. (I can't imagine how it could be on any car made since about 1950.)

The fuel saving is not as straightforward as it might seem. For instance, when approaching a stop and waiting for the engine to shudder before releasing the clutch will more than negate any saving - the ecu will by now be actively working against the brakes. Changing down the gears to keep the engine spinning just wears the clutch for no purpose.

A lot of people though, approach junctions by braking too early to make best use of cutoff. (Worse is when they slow so early it is necessary to re-apply power.) Early lift off, of course, but later braking ought to work better.
 

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SWCeed is spot on. Modern ECUs will cut fuel with foot off the throttle when moving so coasting with the clutch down uses more fuel. Coasting with the clutch up is fine. I am amazed at people who accelerate towards a red light or queue and then slam the brakes on. A recipe for low MPG. Too many drivers seem to think accelerators and brakes are digital and either off or on.

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My engine has 126 bhp not 113 so it is not the same as yours, 38 mpg overall for a 1.6 auto diesel is the lowest fuel consumption I have ever achieved from 43 cars ,30 automatics, going by my last Chev Cruze diesel auto 31 mpg overall it was not untill 20,000 miles when the consumption improved slightly. but by only 2 mpg


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If you mean in neutral with the clutch up you are still using fuel since at idel speed the fule cut off will not work, You have to be doing over about 1200 revs to get the benefit.
No I meant in gear but foot off the accelerator as approaching lights etc.

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