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Important note to make that ALL car owners should know:

No mods actually VOID your warranty.

This means that nothing you can do actually voids your warranty on the spot. Now, that being said, modifications can make your warranty voidable.

This is a VERY important distinction that car owners need make because as people keep tossing around the phrase 'voids your warranty' it becomes common knowledge (no matter how inaccurate) that certain things can actually void your warranty. As car owners we all have rights and are not subject to the powers of the evil overlord car companies that are all powerful over us insignificant car owners. It is actually up to the manufacturer to PROVE that the failure you experienced is a direct result of the modification you made. The onus falls squarely on the manufacturer to prove your modifications clearly caused the failure in question in order to void your warranty. This is what the word to use is voidable and not void. Huge distinction in the legal world and as singular citizens we need to make sure we understand our rights that protect us from legal abuse by entities with MUCH deeper pockets than us. Fortunately we still live in a country where laws tend to lean towards right and wrong and not so much towards the entity with the most financial backing (barely).

Disclaimer: This post is a general statement and not meant as legal advise. Neither the person posting this nor the website hosting the forum is responsible for the reader's actions as a result of anything stated above. As always, it's up to the reader to do their own research and, if necessary, seek legal advise where applicable.
 

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Its deceptive to say mods will not void the warranty. Yes they will indeed. If you modify your wiring in any way, THAT, portion of warranty is GONE. Not everything else, just that specific portion of car. Likewise, if you modify your suspension for say, it will void that portion. OBVIOUSLY, they could not void the "powertrain" part of warranty because in no way would modifying the suspension would make a motor/trans part fail.

You could dispute it ALL, but do you know what you would have to do to actually fight it? Talk with Kia, they are gonna back their dealers unless they are way out of line. If you dispute that, your gonna have to get a lawyer, go to court, ect. NOT WORTH THE COST, in any way.
And if you lose at that point, have fun paying all that court costs back.
 

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Its deceptive to say mods will not void the warranty. Yes they will indeed. If you modify your wiring in any way, THAT, portion of warranty is GONE. Not everything else, just that specific portion of car. Likewise, if you modify your suspension for say, it will void that portion. OBVIOUSLY, they could not void the "powertrain" part of warranty because in no way would modifying the suspension would make a motor/trans part fail.

You could dispute it ALL, but do you know what you would have to do to actually fight it? Talk with Kia, they are gonna back their dealers unless they are way out of line. If you dispute that, your gonna have to get a lawyer, go to court, ect. NOT WORTH THE COST, in any way.
And if you lose at that point, have fun paying all that court costs back.
I think you misunderstood most of what I said based on your statements. To say that modifying your suspension could in no way make your engine or transmission fail isn't entirely true either. Lowering your car can change the input angle of drive shafts (wheels move up/down within wheel wells from where they were engineered to be while the transmission remains at a static location regardless of ride height) which could indeed cause additional stress. The effects of which may not be immediately noticeable but it could indeed cause premature failure of related components. I digress.

The point is that just because you modify something doesn't mean you void the warranty. It could very well be voided by a representative of Kia USA given proper supporting proof but that doesn't mean that a warranty is voided automatically by you modification. Voided and voidable are two ENTIRELY different terms and that is one of the more important distinctions contained within the above post. If you don't grasp the differences and how they apply to the contact entered into between the consumer and the manufacturer then the balance of the post will be lost on you. Consumers are too quick to say a specified contract is voided when it's actually voidable. Big difference. These are the points I'm trying to make as consumers are too quick to essentially admit (falsely) to forfeiting their warranty with modifications or maintenance the perform themselves. This isn't the case and the onus actually lies with the manufacturer to PROVE that it was indeed your modification(s) that were clearly and solely to blame for the failure in question as it pertains to the warranty.
 

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If its "voidable" when you go in, its going to be voided.
The stance of say a lowered vehicle will not kill a transmission PERIOD. Hence what my comment was..

Go your own route but I have been with Kia since 1999 and have modded a few of the 5 kia's I have owned. Im looking out for the members here...

KIA is VERY picky (like a lot of car comapnies) when it comes to modifications. If you look at alll your paperwork when you buy a car and the warranty associated with it (actual warranty paperwork) that you dont get unless you ASK for it, states CLEARLY, that no modifications of the car are to be made. If modifications are made to vehicle, the warranty could be voided. A car manufacturer doesnt have to replace your engine if you use a "subpar" filter and debris gets into the motor. Why should they have to pay for your modification that caused the failure??
That is what I am trying to say, if the "SAID" modification caused or indirectly caused the failure of a part, then it is not going to be covered under warranty, they are going to note it in their computer and all other warranty claims are going to be denyed on that part of the car.
Im not saying the "WHOLE" warranty will be voided, just anything that couold fail due to the mod.
They shouldnt have to, and dont have to.
You can throw your links up, BUT IT IS NOT THE WARRANTY THAT IS STATED WHEN YOU BUY THE CAR, NOR IS IT THE ONE YOU SIGNED AT CAR SIGNING.

DO you actually think the car maker is making you sign that you agree to this unlawfully? Really? You think they do this to every consumer, and it being illegal? No way.
 

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If its "voidable" when you go in, its going to be voided.
The stance of say a lowered vehicle will not kill a transmission PERIOD. Hence what my comment was..

Go your own route but I have been with Kia since 1999 and have modded a few of the 5 kia's I have owned. Im looking out for the members here...

KIA is VERY picky (like a lot of car comapnies) when it comes to modifications. If you look at alll your paperwork when you buy a car and the warranty associated with it (actual warranty paperwork) that you dont get unless you ASK for it, states CLEARLY, that no modifications of the car are to be made. If modifications are made to vehicle, the warranty could be voided. A car manufacturer doesnt have to replace your engine if you use a "subpar" filter and debris gets into the motor. Why should they have to pay for your modification that caused the failure??
That is what I am trying to say, if the "SAID" modification caused or indirectly caused the failure of a part, then it is not going to be covered under warranty, they are going to note it in their computer and all other warranty claims are going to be denyed on that part of the car.
Im not saying the "WHOLE" warranty will be voided, just anything that couold fail due to the mod.
They shouldnt have to, and dont have to.
You can throw your links up, BUT IT IS NOT THE WARRANTY THAT IS STATED WHEN YOU BUY THE CAR, NOR IS IT THE ONE YOU SIGNED AT CAR SIGNING.

DO you actually think the car maker is making you sign that you agree to this unlawfully? Really? You think they do this to every consumer, and it being illegal? No way.
So we're in agreement. Super.
 

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Thats not the exact wording, but within the lines.
Could be is broad at best.
OK so I will now add text from th owners manual of what is NOT COVERED.

Copied from kia motors america

As the Kia vehicle owner, you should also be aware that
Kia may deny you warranty coverage if your Kia vehicle
or a part has failed due to abuse, neglect, improper
maintenance or unapproved modifications.
It is stated in EVERY section of evey part of the manual.

In other words VOID.

Find me a dealer that "may NOT" deny the warranty claim for UNAPPROVED midifications.

Its just like if you fail to ever change your oil, and the motor goes due to it, then they will deny warranty claim. If they are denying your claim, they are basiaclly, for lack of other words, VOIDING it. Sure if they go ahead and replace it with a Kia motor at a Kia motors service center, you will get a warranty on the new motor, but go ahead and do the same thing, to get voided/denyed the claim once again.

You can call it deny or void, its the same thing.
 

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No mods actually VOID your warranty.
I LOVE THIS, NO they won't, they will just DENY your claim. Take it how you see fit, but its the same thing.
 

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Thats not the exact wording, but within the lines.
Could be is broad at best.
OK so I will now add text from th owners manual of what is NOT COVERED.

Copied from kia motors america


As the Kia vehicle owner, you should also be aware that
Kia may deny you warranty coverage if your Kia vehicle
or a part has failed due to abuse, neglect, improper
maintenance or unapproved modifications.
It is stated in EVERY section of evey part of the manual.

In other words VOID.

Find me a dealer that "may NOT" deny the warranty claim for UNAPPROVED midifications.
You clearly did not study law and you clearly want to argue so here we go. You're WRONG. Period. I made the important part of what you pasted in bold so you can see that you keep saying the exact same thing but then you contradict yourself. I don't know how to further explain it so let me try one more time:

Because a contract is voidable it does NOT mean it's void. Yes, it can be voided if it's voidable but a voidable offense does NOT automatically make it VOID. It's up to the grantor of said warranty to void it and they can either chose to void it or not but if they do the onus is on them to PROVE why they're not granting warranty work specifically.

Can you comprehend that? You seem persistent on arguing with me when you can't comprehend this VERY simple statement.

Also, when you go around telling people what they know and don't know you should also know that the dealer has ZERO bearing on whether a catastrophic failure is covered under warranty or not. They do the work they are approved to do and nothing more. It's not their call to cover it or not cover it's it's KIA USA who the warranty is with... not the local dealership. This EXACT thread has been posted on a number of times on a number of different automotive forums of various types of vehicles. It's been very helpful to people who ask 'Hey, if I get an air filter will it void my warranty?' and similar questions. These questions get quite annoying and repetitive. I've been modifying my cars myself for decades and have worked on more vehicles than I care to count. I'm not some n00b who doesn't know what he's talking about so you should really go focus yoru time on someone who is in need because you're digging your hole deeper and deeper with every post. I keep trying to politely inform you but you clearly know everything and therefore don't need to learn anything more so I don't know what else to tell you here. I kind of get the feeling that because you're a mod and I'm new here you feel the need to teach me a lesson for some unknown reason but I'm not going to sit back and let you correct me with misinformation on a public forum. I haven't received any negative backlash from this exact same post anywhere else so I'm just curious why you're so insistent on proving me wrong when you yourself have used verbiage agreeing with me in all your posts. You just don't seem to understand the basic differences.
 

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Did I claim to read law? No LOL.
There is a difference between "arguing" and a debate, you need to see the difference.

I claim what I am reading and being modded many Kia cars, then try to get coverage, I know what has happened in the past, read hundreds of threads here and at SK, where members with mods, KIA will not honor the warranty.
The part your not reading,
THE PART THE DIRECTLY AFFECTED SAID FAILURE WILL MAKE A DENIAL with a claim ON THAT PART OR WHAT WAS AFFECTED OR "COULD BE" by said mod.

Go ahead and mod your car all you want, you will see in the end when they "deny" your coverage.
Ive done some mods to my sporty, and I know and "EXPECT" some of my warranty denied.
How long have you been with Kia?
Me 11 years.
How many mods have you made on Kias?
Me, did everything from lightened pullys, to headers, to reflashed ecu's, headers, exhausts, bbtb, ect. Ive been there and done that, been there arguing over it, ect. Talked with Kia Motors usa, they are gonna back what their dealers say. Within the law. Their wording in the manual, warns you clearly of modifying your car. The may is just put there for legal issues. They cant say, void the full warranty. Its a case by case thing.
How many warranty claims have you tried to get after mods with Kia?
Me. At least 20 lol. They are gonna deny you.

Go ahead bring them to court over a simple deny. Thats way to much time and effort for any average person to go through for a denyed claim. Hope you got months of extra time and hundreds if not thousands to fight it in court.
 

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You guys are arguing semantics. If your part, or the install of the part, causes your complaint/failure, it's not covered. It's really as simple as that.
 

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You guys are arguing semantics. If your part, or the install of the part, causes your complaint/failure, it's not covered. It's really as simple as that.
It's not simple semantics when it's the actual premise at debate. If your part is the cause it could still be covered. That is entirely up to the manufacturer. If they do decide to not cover it it's up to them to prove that your modification is the cause of the failure which is what I'm trying to say. Too many people are 1) worried about stupid little superficial changes thinking it will void their entire bumper to bumper warranty and 2) don't know that it's on the manufacturer to prove your modification caused the failure in order to disallow the work to be covered under warranty. They think as individual consumers they are powerless and have no rights against the large companies that built their car. That's basically what I'm saying.
 

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EXACTLY what I have been saying did you read it all?
QUOTED from my last post, and in the other one before that also.


THE PART THE DIRECTLY AFFECTED SAID FAILURE WILL MAKE A DENIAL with a claim ON THAT PART OR WHAT WAS AFFECTED OR "COULD BE" by said mod.

That is entirely up to the manufacturer. If they do decide to not cover it it's up to them to prove that your modification is the cause of the failure which is what I'm trying to
Thats every easy with modifications... Simply, its not what our engineers, called for with said vehicle. Hence the "MAY" part of warranty. COVER THEIR ASS LEGALLY.

You gotta really think about this for a minute. If say Kia sells, say (all the fleet)(every model) say 5 million cars. OK. Not out of thought with every model. Now if out of those 5 million sold, there is a mere 500k that mod their cars In as little or as big as you can think), cause motor failures, suspension issues, trans issues, ect, because of mods, well, they are gonna lose money if they warrant every person with a mod. Simple.
Labor, shipement of parts (most are comming from Korea) paying workers, paying bills, dealer franchise bills, ect.

You gotta think, how many people out there are just throing these parts on without a thought.
With your theory, you could go out in your garage, buy a turbo kit, run that car all day and night, run great miles and miles, yet one day, a bad failure happens to the motor. Now say you did ALL maintinece, you would expect Kia to warrant the said issue, whatever it is? Come on..... They dont mention what mods will "DENY" warrant, so they can say anything, is too broad (BUT that is the system), you get by, being "broad". THats called "being legal, but a bid deceptive" within reason though.

They can, and will, (NOT EVERY dealer) mine is fine with a few little bolt ons, but MOST WILL.

Mod it man, I love it myself. Dont care what they are gonna say to me, so your barking up the wrong tree saying its wrong what Im saying. I love it when they say, well what you did cause bla, bla, even though it didn't. But I dont got the time, nor money to go to court fighting it.
After you make some good mods and something happens,
PLEASE, post back and let us know what they told you. :)
And if you fight it legally, let us know how much it cost you and how much time in court it took. :)


WHAT I AM SAYING,

IF YOU MOD IT,
EXPECT the WORST, when it comes to the warranty, and know what you are getting into.
 

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So what was the point of posting this?

If you mod your car you may cause damage that may not be covered under the original factory warranty.

So my turbo may be alright? If it does not directly damage something... And now the real tech who actually makes a living off working on these gets to decide if what I did was good or bad. This seems like a lot of trouble for no reason at all.

Be safe and leave your junk alone, or assume you get to pay for anything that breaks. There, we all agree.
 

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You guys are arguing semantics. If your part, or the install of the part, causes your complaint/failure, it's not covered. It's really as simple as that.
VERY SIMPLE for sure you are 100% right! And it has to be PROVEABLE too. If they can not prove it did it with evidence then it is moot. HEARSAY does not cut it. Burden of PROOF (AKA Denile of Claim) is on the maker not you. Ask any judge. PROVE that the mods caused the failure and I rule in YOUR favor. SIMPLE AS THAT! You can't prove, you can't deny. Or aftermarket seat covers would VOID the seat foam warrenty! by in theory trapping in moisture. ;)
 

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WHAT I AM SAYING,

IF YOU MOD IT,
EXPECT the WORST, when it comes to the warranty, and know what you are getting into.

Totally agree with you. Never said it was going to be easy for all to get nor fight for their rights either. If you are lazy and uncaring then you get what you put into it for sure. NOTHING. Take a rational active part in the process to get a claim autherized once it is denied and you stand a good chance of prevailing. Unless your a Dumb GREEDY [email protected]$k A$$. We both have run up on those I am sure 1fastkia? The world owes them. Right? For me and you maybe they were CANDY. Put on this earth to be played with and toyed with as a relaxing sport. ;)
 

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So what was the point of posting this?

If you mod your car you may cause damage that may not be covered under the original factory warranty.

So my turbo may be alright? If it does not directly damage something... And now the real tech who actually makes a living off working on these gets to decide if what I did was good or bad. This seems like a lot of trouble for no reason at all.

Be safe and leave your junk alone, or assume you get to pay for anything that breaks. There, we all agree.
Yes one way to look at it for sure.

"seems like a lot of trouble for no reason at all"

Proved nicely the second line of my last post to 1fastkia too.
 

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It isn't just a lazy jackass that wouldn't fight it.
I wouldn't fight it. It's a waste of time, NOT saying I/you/them couldn't win, but the time.... Its a car. I would rather just fix it, get it on the raod.
Honestly I do not worry about anything I install, not that its much anymore except to my 7, but of course thats way to old for a warranty concern LOL.

I wouldn't install some crap, wrong, cause damage, or if I were installing something as big as a turbo or anything, well, void it, I dont give a crap, when it dies, I will fix or or Ill buy a new car LOL..

Just letting some know, what to expect, its their decision whether they want to take their time to fight it while there car is down dead, in the shop. And if they are denying your claim, they sure as shit are not giving you a loaner.
 

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It isn't just a lazy jackass that wouldn't fight it.
I wouldn't fight it. It's a waste of time, NOT saying I/you/them couldn't win, but the time.... Its a car. I would rather just fix it, get it on the raod.
Honestly I do not worry about anything I install, not that its much anymore except to my 7, but of course thats way to old for a warranty concern LOL.

I wouldn't install some crap, wrong, cause damage, or if I were installing something as big as a turbo or anything, well, void it, I dont give a crap, when it dies, I will fix or or Ill buy a new car LOL..

Just letting some know, what to expect, its their decision whether they want to take their time to fight it while there car is down dead, in the shop. And if they are denying your claim, they sure as shit are not giving you a loaner.
Very well put. Bottom line OWN your decision and live with its possible pitfalls. You play you may (on occation) pay. If your a hard case, think every maker owes you by "right" to fix it free 5/60-10/100 then think again chum. You play you may pay. Own it like a man, know it going into it for sure. You and I are golden on this point. Many do not get it (they whine) at all, 1fastkia. Want to help me cut some Chedder or Blue or Chamibre or Stilton for the?
 

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This is the 1st time i saw this thread,
i do have one example for this conversation i think,

in JULY 2011, i received a letter from KIA telling that they are calling for recalls on 2011 Sorento "COIL SPRINGS" and after bringing my Sorento and few minutes past they told me that they didnt touch my Sorento because i changed my Springs, and they also told me that they wont fix my recall if i will not bring my stock springs back.

Here is what written on the paper work.
A Campaigns SC091 Adding Front Spring Protection
NWD - No Work Done
Parts 3969 NWD / Vehicle Modified With Aftermarket On Coil Springs
 
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