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:( Hey; be very, very careful when it comes to changing your own Kia oil and filter. The replacement filters listed in Wal Mart stores and Advance Auto parts stores are incorrect for the Kia Sophia and probably many other Kia models as well. The replacement filters are much too short and the end of the oil shaft actually gets sealed off when the filter is screwed in tightly. This results in NO oil being circulated via the pump to the rest of the engine. However the oil pressure light will not come on and you will have no indication of the problem until it is too late. My engine just blew a rod only two days after changing the oil. At first my mechanic thought it was a failed oil pump but we quickly verified that the pump was pumping fine. When we removed the filter, it contained no oil except for a round dot of oil where the shaft sealed up against the inside of the filter. :eek:
 

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That is an awful experience.

I have always gone directly to Kia for filters etc.

Maybe a couple of extra dollars up front but well worth it.
 

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Sorry about your engine. I run non genuine oil filters on my 2005 Cerato, but I have been lucky that I have found a generic brand that I am pretty sure is the same as the genuine right down to the code stamped into it.{ it is actually Korean made} The replacement filter on a my Cerato is a fram z79a or equivalent but I try to get filters with the same seal and hole pattern [ 8 hole vs 5 ] as original as z79a 's can very between brands. As you said always make sure to use the same length filter.
 

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:( Hey; be very, very careful when it comes to changing your own Kia oil and filter. The replacement filters listed in Wal Mart stores and Advance Auto parts stores are incorrect for the Kia Sophia and probably many other Kia models as well. The replacement filters are much too short and the end of the oil shaft actually gets sealed off when the filter is screwed in tightly. This results in NO oil being circulated via the pump to the rest of the engine. However the oil pressure light will not come on and you will have no indication of the problem until it is too late. My engine just blew a rod only two days after changing the oil. At first my mechanic thought it was a failed oil pump but we quickly verified that the pump was pumping fine. When we removed the filter, it contained no oil except for a round dot of oil where the shaft sealed up against the inside of the filter. :eek:
Never use the commercial application guides. Just go to the local parts store, its the same price, walmart has no price advantage to oil changes.
Ive never had a problem using a parts store. Hell the wiper guides at walmart are even incorrect.
 

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I've heard the Fram oil filters at walmart are not good on the 2G Kia Sportages as the threads I guess are too thin and I guess the oil pressure pushes it off. I dunno true or not, but I have a 2009 Kia Sportage V6 and just got 2 Purolator PureOne filters and picked up 5qts of Pennzoil Platinum and plan to do my first oil change on it sometime today.
 

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The replacement filters are much too short and the end of the oil shaft actually gets sealed off when the filter is screwed in tightly.
When I had a machinist turn an adapter for my remote oil filter to spin on the oil pad I measured the screw thread and length(21mm x 1.5) I believe. It only stuck out 1 ". I know the OEM and Fram replacement are about 3 inches deep. I don't see how the end of the filter could block the end of the pipe. I am not on here to start a Fram bashing post but I have been using them for about 35 years and have never had an engine fail because of oil problems.
 

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Champion Laboratories (which makes the SuperTech filter for Walmart) probably assumes the engine in the Sephia is a Hyundai 4 banger. It's not, but either a Mazda engine or the Mazda derived T8 motor depending on the model year. Somebody hasn't done their homework.

Oil filters and oil are like fine wine, everyone has a different opinion about which is best. I have to be honest that the few times I have used a Fram spin-on, nothing happened to my car. I do religiously change the oil and filter in my vehicles every 3,000 miles, and I think I read in Consumer Reports several years ago that it really didn't matter what brand of filter you used when serviced that frequently. Fram has been know to cut corners on filter construction and so I've adopted a "why take chances" approach. Since I've started buying Hyundai vehicles, there was a debacle about Fram mismatching flow rates and the bypass pressure requirement on Hyundai/Kia applications and Fram notoriously uses the least amount of filter material in their designs. If you are interested, there are several sites where filters are disassembled and the contents analyzed:

Oil Filters Revealed - MiniMopar Resources

Oil filter comparisons

Filter Comparisons

Motorcycle Oil Filter Comparison

None of these compare a Hyundai/Kia filter, but I think they do paint a pretty clear picture of what brands are made of. There is also a site on the web where someone did cut open a Hyundai spin-on and compared it to a Walmart Supertech Performance filter (which at the time was the better of the two filter styles made by Champion Labs). The Hyundai had more filter media and was a better made filter.

Found the Hyundai/Kia filter link:

http://www.elantraclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1409
 

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I've cut apart a number of filters. Fram is about the crappiest, most heavily advertised filter around.

I could rant on about "Made in India" garbage, but I'll stop & just say the WIX brand at NAPA has been the most consistant, best made filter I've seen.

I've seen a number of engines destroyed because of crappy Fram filters. One time, they got confused and made a batch of oil filters with air filter paper. Minimal flow. Other times, I've seen the filter paper all wadded up around the base. Always Fram.

As to the oil light, it depends on where it's located. If it's on the main gallery after the filter, where it should be, it will light when needed. If it's on the pump, before the filter, good luck.

Don't get me going on Fram.
 

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i have a 2003 kia spectra gsx and i have changed the oil in it for years now..and from what i have read i have to disagree with what ive read..i use the $8.97 fram oil filter and i use mobil 1 full synthetic oil..i have 130,000 and i baby it...its a 5-speed and i must say it gets well into the 30-something for gas milage..when it really comes down 2 all of what is posted here its how u treat ur kia..preventive maintenance goes a long ways..if you want 2 know more on this get back 2 me..
 

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there is nothing wrong with fram...i use the 7917 size rather than the ph6607 it calls for...the 7917 is a little bigger and it works just fine for me..i use the $8.97 filter...
 

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I have always used KIA oil filters on my Spectra. I use them to avoid any warranty issues should my engine self destruct while still under warranty. Better safe than sorry is my motto. You can buy KIA filters off of ebay pretty cheap too.
 

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I have seen instances in the past where the fram guide suggested an incorrect filter. However, I am not afraid at all to admit to using fram many times in the past, and never had a problem at all.

What I do have a problem with is hyundai and kia issuing TSB bulletins about aftermarket filters, and trying to deny warranty coverage on people due to not using OEM filters. In order to deny coverage, legally they have to prove without a doubt the filter in question physically CAUSED the problem. not just say it did. Granted, there are likely some shoddy filters out there, but it is most certainly not an across the board all brands situation.

If you look around the net, there are endless threads arguing this whole scenario, and the bottom line is reputable brands extensively test their filters before they go on sale, and they do meet manufacturer specifications. Let's be honest here, if you are using quality oil and changing it on the proper schedule, that filter really isn't catching that much to begin with.
 

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not sure why people don't just use the KIA filters. they are not expensive and you avoid any hassles with KIA should you have any engine problems related to oiling issues.

KIA do seem a little anal about the oil filters for sure. It would be different if they wanted 50 bucks a filter, but they don't. They are no more expensive than any of the aftermarket filters available so why not just use their filters?. Like you say, if you change the oil regularly there won't be much crud to collect in the filter anyway.
 

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.... What I do have a problem with is hyundai and kia issuing TSB bulletins about aftermarket filters, and trying to deny warranty coverage on people due to not using OEM filters. ...
..... if you are using quality oil and changing it on the proper schedule, that filter really isn't catching that much to begin with.
I have no problem with KIA issuing the TSB on aftermarket filters, PROVIDED IT'S TRUE. So, do I have any way of knowing if what they say is factual and proven? Definitely not. But the bottom line is that it MIGHT BE, which is good enough for me. Perhaps KIA determined that certain aftermarket filters don't have the correct flow rate. They don't really tell us anything specific, and what I wrote is pure speculation about how they came up with that TSB. And your guess would be as good as mine.

I do agree completely about denying warranty coverage just because a non-OEM filter is on the vehicle. In my travels around the forums, I've read very few reliably sounding reports (with follow-ups), of either KIA or Hyundai actually doing this. So, IMHO they did not issue this TSB in order to facilitate warranty coverage denial.

Before you grab your pen to reply, be advised that I am typically not a defender of KIA, Hyundai, or any of their stealerships. Far from it, I'm usually on the other side of the fence. But I do believe in trying to call them as I see them; and I can't find a reason to criticize them for the filter TSB, unless it's someday uncovered to be nothing but a ploy on their part.

not sure why people don't just use the KIA filters. they are not expensive and you avoid any hassles with KIA should you have any engine problems related to oiling issues.
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^^^ this is exactly the approach I've taken for the 103K miles on our Forte. And now that it's out of warranty, I've decided to continue using KIA filters. They've worked so far, so why roll the dice at this point.

Here's one other thing to give some perspective to what I wrote above. I also have used Fram filters for many years on other family vehicles, and still use them on some of our older ones. Never have had an engine issue using them, and will have no problem continuing to use them. Except on the KIA. Just in case.
 

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Lawyers and legal departments prevent directly naming the problem filters outright, and I understand that, but the least they could do , to protect owners from potential damage is reach out directly to those selling the inferior product and notify them of why there is an issue with their product. Instead of just telling consumers buy our product only, which by the way is illegal in all 50 states.
 

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The other tidbit in all of this is the massive theta II engine recalls over the past few years too. That TSB about non kia brand oil filters came out prior to the recalls, when Hyundai was insisting the problems were all related to people not properly maintaining their cars. Which leads me to believe the TSB was cooked up to support their pattern of knowing the underlying cause of the problems was assembly and manufacturing defects, but unwilling to fully stand behind their mistakes. Hyundai / Kia are not the first, nor will they be the last carmaker to screw things up and blame the customer, simply because dealer service departments make far more money off private customers than they do warranty repairs, on a per hour / repair basis.
 

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.... Instead of just telling consumers buy our product only, which by the way is illegal in all 50 states ....
I'm not aware of KIA or Hyundai communicating any information about oil filters directly to vehicle owners. TSBs are internal corporate documents to the stealerships from the mother ship, and are not intended to reach the public. Yes, they do find their way to us online, like just about everything else does.

And basically all this TSB says is for the tech to swap in a KIA filter, if there is any issue that might be related to oil. So the stealerships are not being instructed by the TSB, to automatically replace any non-OEM filter that come into their shop. Yes, it would have been great for us to have received this filter information directly from KIA, but how many auto makers communicate stuff like this to vehicle owners?

Again, my focus in defending KIA (and Hyundai) is only with this particular TSB. There is plenty of other stuff to hammer them on, such as what the 'mystery' engine issue is on potentially 2M+ vehicles.
 

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Kia, and any other manufacturer is under no obligation to lab test every third party filter on the market and compile a list of those that don't meet their specifications, whether that be particulate size, filter area, pressure drop, relief valve and anti-runback valve etc.

Obviously they have come across a few that have caused engine damage, and the right thing for them to do is issue a TSB alerting all to the fact that the risk is out there, and its your decision if or how you want to mitigate that risk, like stick with OEM filters to avoid any doubt.

Kia cannot deny warranty just based on the make of filter found installed at the time engine damaged is noticed, they are still under obligation to confirm what specification the oil or filter does not meet.

OEM filters are priced very well, so makes good sense to stick with them and avoid potential issues down the road.
 
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