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Curious on what other charging times folks are experiencing.

As you can see in the manual they claim 2 hr15 min on a level 2 and 9hrs on the trickle (Household charging with provided adapter)

In my experience so far it took us a little over 4 hrs on a level 2 and the level 1 is commonly taking around 12-13hrs when we charge it every night.

Cant say that im not surprised that the salespeople and the manual exaggerates the charging times but maybe its just me and I need to try another outlet :D

What are you guys getting?

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I’ve only charged it 3 times so far. It’s taken around 10 hours each time. Not sure what the battery percentage was at, but the EV mileage estimate was at 0 every time.
 

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Yeah its the same with us. Pretty much charging every night and it take 10-12 hrs to charge fully. Getting the same 1.2 kw/hr to charge. NC doesn't provide any incentive for level 2 charger, so I guess we are sticking with Level 1 only.
 

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Yeah were doing a level 2, my wife comes and goes multiple times throughout the day so we wont be able to live with a 12 hr charge. Plus I want to make the most of our purchase and be on EV as much as possible.

For anyone else interested were ordering this and its going to be installed on a 50AMP 14-50 NEMA plug

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You can get a slight federal kickback for installing it , but yeah nothing NC specific.

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The amps on the L2 charger matter. Since we don't know what amps Kia is basing their 2.25 hour time frame on I am going to assume that it is probably 50 amps. L2 chargers can start at 30 amps and go up from there.
 

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I talked to a few Tesla guys in my
neighborhood and several pointed me towards Clipper Creek. I emailed them and here is their response:


Thank you for reaching out.
From what we could find The 2022 Kia Sorento PHEV has a 3.3kW onboard charger. For this I would recommend the following options.
LCS-20
Search - LCS-20 - starting at $379
This will supply up to 3.8kW allowing the vehicle to charge at its fastest rate. Includes built in cable management, wall mounted holster, lockable vehicle connector, and 3 year warranty.

AmazingE
Search - AmazingE Level 2, 16 Amp - starting at $329
This will also supply up to 3.8kW allowing the vehicle to charge at its fastest rate. Includes lockable vehicle connector and 3 year warranty. Cable cradle and/or holster available in separate bundles.

HCS-40
Search - HCS-40 - starting at $565
This will supply up to 7.7kW and is a great way to future proof you initial investment, meaning it is capable of better serving future vehicle purchases due to the higher supply rate.
Also includes built in cable management, wall mounted holster, lockable vehicle connector, and 3 year warranty.

If you have any questions I am more than happy to assist.

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I talked to a few Tesla guys in my
neighborhood and several pointed me towards Clipper Creek. I emailed them and here is their response:


Thank you for reaching out.

LCS-20
Search - LCS-20 - starting at $379
This will supply up to 3.8kW allowing the vehicle to charge at its fastest rate. Includes built in cable management, wall mounted holster, lockable vehicle connector, and 3 year warranty.

AmazingE
Search - AmazingE Level 2, 16 Amp - starting at $329
This will also supply up to 3.8kW allowing the vehicle to charge at its fastest rate. Includes lockable vehicle connector and 3 year warranty. Cable cradle and/or holster available in separate bundles.

HCS-40
Search - HCS-40 - starting at $565
This will supply up to 7.7kW and is a great way to future proof you initial investment, meaning it is capable of better serving future vehicle purchases due to the higher supply rate.
Also includes built in cable management, wall mounted holster, lockable vehicle connector, and 3 year warranty.

If you have any questions I am more than happy to assist.

ClipperCreek, Inc.
Innovative Infrastructure for
Electric and Hybrid Vehicles
Robert Hearn
Product Specialist
[email protected]
P.530.887.1674 x 314 F.530.887.8527
www.clippercreek.com

All those would be fine for a PHEV, but this statement on the last one about future proofing is kind of laughable. The HCS-40 is only a 32 amp charger......the chargepoint that is above is adjustable with a range that starts out at 32amp. Future proofing would be to make a charger that will benefit from a higher amp outlet. If you only had a 30 or 40amp outlet then it would work. But for those that need to install an outlet for a L2 charger then they should opt for a 50 amp 14-50 or 60 amp hard wired outlet. Future proofing would be getting set up for a BEV.
 

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All those would be fine for a PHEV, but this statement on the last one about future proofing is kind of laughable. The HCS-40 is only a 32 amp charger......the chargepoint that is above is adjustable with a range that starts out at 32amp. Future proofing would be to make a charger that will benefit from a higher amp outlet. If you only had a 30 or 40amp outlet then it would work. But for those that need to install an outlet for a L2 charger then they should opt for a 50 amp 14-50 or 60 amp hard wired outlet. Future proofing would be getting set up for a BEV.
This is my first EV, so I’m not sure exactly how amps and everything plays a part of a home charger (ok, I know it’s not the actual charger, so at least I know that much. 😂 ) I just know the quickest my Sorento will charge is at 3.3kW. The HCS-40 would be overkill because I couldn’t take advantage of it. Based on what I’ve seen, I would be foolish to get it because other EVs are charging at rates much higher than the 7.7kW it offers. So while I get what the guy is saying, I’m sure my next EV will benefit from a system with a higher rate of charge, which like you said would probably need 50amps or more. For now, I’ll get one of the cheaper systems that will allow us to max out the charge rate. I’m sure there will be better systems in the near future, not to mention cheaper.
 

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It's a common misconception that the L2 equipment you plug into your PHEV/BEV is a "charger". Technically the battery charger (which ultimately controls the voltage/current presented to the battery) is on board the vehicle. The doohickey mounted to your garage wall is called an EVSE (electric vehicle supply equipment?). Everyone calls it a "charger" because "EVSE" is a silly name. The EVSE mainly acts as a fancy 240V extension cord which can communicate its maximum available current to the on board battery charger.

The rate at which the vehicle battery charges is capped by the lesser of either the onboard charger's max wattage, or the max current available from the EVSE.

In the case of most current market PHEV's, the onboard charger maxes out at 3.3kW, which is completely satisfied by an EVSE on a 20A breaker. I haven't been able to find anything definitive from Kia that specifies the Sorento PHEV charger, but every other Kia PHEV I'm aware of has a 3.3kW charger, so this is my assumption. Typically the battery capacity of PHEV's is low enough to support 100% charge in reasonable timeframes (2-3 hrs) on 3.3kW.

All this to say, it doesn't matter if you plug your Sorento PHEV into a 19+ kW EVSE - it's (likely) only ever gonna charge at a max of 3.3kW. If you're expecting to also purchase a BEV in the near-ish future, installing a high current EVSE on a 50+ amp circuit is good future proofing. In my personal case, I don't expect to purchase a BEV for at least 5 years, so rewiring my garage feeder to support 50A isn't worth it.
 

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Yeah in our case were building a brand new house, so I paid to have the 14-50 nema installed as a future proofing for the house in general cause its far cheaper obviously when the house is initially constructed (Was 300 bucks)

As for the EVSE I didnt realize that the chargepoint i listed was complete overkill but I plan to get a BEV eventually so maybe It makes sense to grab one of these if thats the max it will charge my current car. Its easy enough to resell this when we get a BEV cause it doesnt require an install and paying an electrician to professionally install the chargepoint does which seems foolish because what you guys posted is that its complete overkill for the sorento PHEV.

Am I understanding that right? In my situation with a 50 amp plug I should just grab the LCS-20 or HCS-50 unless I want the smart features on the chargepoint.
 

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I emailed clipper creek cause with a 50amp receptacle I'm confused if I actually NEED to install a 50 amp version (HCS-50P) of their charger according to this video I just watched.

Although the supply circuits in the specs is 208/240V, 50A for both the LCS-20P and HCS-50P so if im fine to run either id probably opt for the 20p for now cause its going to charge the sorento to its max capacity. However the 50p will be the most my circuit can provide anyways and its only 250 more plus you factor in getting more back on the 30 percent for the more expensive model.



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Many EVSE's can be configured for installation on circuits lower than the EVSE's maximum supported current - but you must always follow the EVSE manufacturer's specific installation instructions.

For example, my EVSE (Emporia) supports installation on up to a 60A circuit, but in my case it's wired up a 20A circuit. I configured the EVSE (during installation) so that it knows it's on a 20A circuit. This is important. Remember that the EVSE communicates its max available current to the EV's onboard charger. Imagine I didn't properly configure my EVSE, and it thought it was installed on a 60A circuit when in reality it's wired to a 20A circuit. There's no problem when my 3.3kW Sorento PHEV is plugged in, since it'll never attempt to draw more than 16A. But what happens when my brother-in-law comes to visit and plugs in his fancy Tesla/BMW/Mercedes with an uber-potent charger? The EVSE will indicate that 60A are available (they're not) and the EV will try to draw that much current. Yikes. In an ideal world the 20A breaker feeding the EVSE will trip before any insulation melts or fires start, but you never want to rely on that.

On an aside - I have been a huge fan of Emporia since they started a few years ago. I was one of their first Vue customers and I've totally bought in to their ecosystem. Lots of clever products, always adding new features to existing products, phenomenal customer support, USA based. Big shout out to those guys.
 

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I got a response from Robert as well, looks like im ok to get the one on the lower circuit if I wanted.

Thank you for reaching out.

Yes, the LCS-20P NEMA 14-50 is a great option for both your vehicle and the intended 14-50 outlet.

16A Level 2 EVSE LCS-20P with NEMA 14-50 | ClipperCreek - $395

This will supply up to 3.8kW and allow your vehicle to charge at its fastest rate. Includes built in cable management, wall mounted holster, and 3 year warranty.
 

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I just received my ChargePoint Home Flex and will be getting it installed in my new house in a month or two. It seems the Kia advertising and documentation is wrong and that the Sorento will never charge in 2.5 hours with a 3.3KW charger. Even though that's the case, I'm having the Home Flex hard-wired to a 60-amp circuit in my garage, which will allow it or another car to use up to 50 amps.
 
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