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We've got a new? or maybe not new issue? The car spends most of it's life in ECO (unless I'm driving) When cruising or accelerating moderately, the engine will rev briefly all the way to red line and then settle back down. I haven't witnessed it and asked the condition of the roads (maybe losing traction?) and if it really went all the way to redline or was just slipping (as they do a little first thing to warm up the trans) and she said it goes "all the way up". It's very similar to the original issue BEFORE it would shut down and start flashing the check engine light.

Something isn't right with this car, she doesn't drive hard so I don't believe she's actually accelerating all the way to redline and the fact that it happens while cruising is very odd. Almost as if the trans disengages or goes to neutral for a brief time. Also we've noticed the fuel mileage has increased considerably since the last "recall of the recall". Last years winter L/100 was about 9.5-10 and this winter it's 11.5-12. I understand there are a lot of factors at play but there's something f*cky (trailer park boys reference)
What happens if you never drive in ECO? ECO doesn't do practically anything -- it's really just a marketing gimmick and won't effect mileage at all. If this doesn't happen in NORMAL mode, then it is the ECU programming that is at fault. ECO tries to lug the engine and if there is any wheel slippage, it will automatically upshift and raise the rpm's. Some of us have tested ECO and found that it delivers no better mileage than NORMAL. I'm pretty sure it doesn't go "all of the way up", but it might go from 1200 rpm's to 4000 rpm's and that may sound like it does.
 

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well I guess that over revving was a forerunner.

car went into limp mode this time on the way home from christmas dinner. Luckily this time I got to experience it first hand.
It’s not quite as my girlfriend had described (each time she was in an angry panic)
I was able to keep the pedal floored and manipulate the gears to get us home at a safe speed. The car definitely was reduced to the least amount of power possible with check engine flashing however seemed to “run” ok. There was some chugging but once I manually changed the gears it stayed fairy smooth which indicated to me there is no actual engine mechanical issues but something electronic forcing it into limp mode. Frustrating as all hell but my girlfriend was relieved to know that I could get her home safely and without having to call another tow truck.
Going back to Kia when they open, they’ll be towing it from my house. I’ll keep you all posted.
 

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Code is P1326 (surprise surprise) I grabbed some freeze frame data, I wish I had taken the time to do this the last two times to compare. Nothing really stands out to me as out of the ordinary, we were traveling on flat group when the RPMs popped up. Was tempted to clear the code to see if it fixed itself but that would just give the dealer a way out.

Edit: I had the gf record a video as soon as it happen and remembered where we were, originally I thought we were on a hill to explain the RPM to speed discrepancy but we were on flat ground, maybe even a slight decline.

Mode $02 - Freeze Frame

PIDDescriptionValueUnits
0x02Freeze frame DTCP1326
0x03Fuel system 1 status2
0x03Fuel system 2 status0
0x04Calculated load value46.27%
0x05Engine coolant temperature84C
0x06Short term fuel % trim - Bank 13.12%
0x07Long term fuel % trim - Bank 1-2.34%
0x0BIntake manifold absolute pressure8.41psi
0x0CEngine RPM3702RPM
0x0DVehicle speed106km/h
0x0EIgnition timing advance for #1 cylinder33.5deg
0x0FIntake air temperature3C
0x11Absolute throttle position23.92%
0x1FTime since engine start848sec
0x2ECommanded evaporative purge0%
0x2FFuel level input42.75%
0x33Barometric pressure14.07psi
0x42Control module voltage14.58V
0x43Absolute load value47.06%
0x44Fuel/Air commanded equivalence ratio1
0x45Relative throttle position16.08%
0x46Ambient air temperature-3C
0x47Absolute throttle position B23.53%
0x49Accelerator pedal position D14.9%
0x4AAccelerator pedal position E14.9%
0x4CCommanded throttle actuator control18.43%
0x51Fuel type1
0x59Fuel rail pressure (absolute)2828.24psi
 

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Code is P1326 …
It's nothing but a waste of your time to try diagnosing this code. The P1326 is what the ECM sets when the knock sensor sends a voltage pattern that it identifies to be harmful knock. The noise may be actual knocking, or it could also be just another false positive, but there is no way to determine that from freeze frame (or any other ODB data either).

You are completely dependent on your stealership to resolve the issue, and Kia's fall back position will be to replace the engine, if the code/limp mode cannot be eliminated by anything else they do.
 

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It’s such a weird feeling. I was happy to finally have one vehicle with warranty that I knew I wouldn’t have to mess with and yet it’s the one we have had the most issues with that I can’t mess with.

I’ve got a 2013 Focus ST and a 2013 F150. Zero issues with 140k and 180k with just oil changes, brakes and a water pump on the F150 which took me all of 1hr to change.

I broke down and let her pick the Sportage over the Escape as the price was better. Man, am I regretting not holding my ground.
 

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It’s such a weird feeling. I was happy to finally have one vehicle with warranty that I knew I wouldn’t have to mess with and yet it’s the one we have had the most issues with that I can’t mess with.

I’ve got a 2013 Focus ST and a 2013 F150. Zero issues with 140k and 180k with just oil changes, brakes and a water pump on the F150 which took me all of 1hr to change.

I broke down and let her pick the Sportage over the Escape as the price was better. Man, am I regretting not holding my ground.
My wife's mother got her a brand new 2018 Escape in January and we found out this summer that all the 1.5 turbo engines have a design flaw and eventually they will all blow a head gasket so much for the escapes. Also I don't like the car, I like my 2017 Sportage way better. All the computer displays are much more user-friendly in my opinion. I would have rather she got a Sportage but that's a long story.
 

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My wife's mother got her a brand new 2018 Escape in January and we found out this summer that all the 1.5 turbo engines have a design flaw and eventually they will all blow a head gasket so much for the escapes. Also I don't like the car, I like my 2017 Sportage way better. All the computer displays are much more user-friendly in my opinion. I would have rather she got a Sportage but that's a long story.
Is that the Ford product with the motors WATER PUMP mounted INTERNALLY in the OIL PAN????:sick::eek::oops:
 

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Is that the Ford product with the motors WATER PUMP mounted INTERNALLY in the OIL PAN????:sick::eek::oops:
I don't know which product you're talking about but the design flaw is between the cylinders. The surface area of the block around the cylinders and between them is too small so that head gaskets are eventually blowing through.
 

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I don't know which product you're talking about but the design flaw is between the cylinders. The surface area of the block around the cylinders and between them is too small so that head gaskets are eventually blowing through.
There was a recent big news story of one of the Ford SUV types having a particular motor design of what I posted of. Just have not researched it out as I don't have a Ford product, and have not had in a long time. It would not surprise me to hear of this latest snafu from Ford either. Around here, a lot of the 2012-2015 Escapes were also known to rot out the rear unibody to rear strut area....NY RUST GREMLINS....
 

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Kia is going to replace the actual knock sensor this time.. but first we need to wait for approval from Kia Canada for the repair as it's a "very expensive, big job".

I looked up a video on what is required, it was 8.5 minutes long and the part is $50. The hardest part looks to be removing the intake manifold. Any competent tech can bang that job out in an hour. Anyway that's not for me to worry about but I've personally cleaned the intake valves on a similarly laid out GDI engine in under 2 hours. Just annoying that they're playing it up. Or maybe there is some other underlying issue? Who knows. I'm going to ask them if they actually test the old knock sensor or are just throwing a part at it as he mentioned they are following a Kia "flow chart" rather than actually diagnosing the root cause. THAT worries me.

That aside, we have a loaner for the time being, a 2012 base model Soul but this time I had to actually request it, service manager again has been great.
 

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As you now know and as I said from the outset, the engine has not failed, and yours is not the first to quit running after getting the update. Whatever is wrong with it is programming or a sensor/harness issue. Its just a damn shame that they cannot seem to fix it and take care of business.
 

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Knock sensor has been replaced, we requested they keep the car and drive it for as long as possible. Not that it will act up while they have it. Only time will tell again. Thanks for all feedback!
 

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Car is back, working normally again.

We are very lucky to have the service centre that we have. The dealer detailed the car inside and out and replaced the fuel that was used during the test drives. Nothing but good things to say about our service centre.

Finger crossed I don't need to come back to this forum.
 

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Car is back, working normally again.

We are very lucky to have the service centre that we have. The dealer detailed the car inside and out and replaced the fuel that was used during the test drives. Nothing but good things to say about our service centre.

Finger crossed I don't need to come back to this forum.
Good to hear.

We always hear of the bad dealerships which creates the perception that they're all bad.
 

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I’m kind of freaking out. I have an appointment set for next week to do the update. Should I cancel???
 

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Is anyone able to point me in the direction of a single thread where the problem has actually been resolved? I can't find a single thread for Hyun/Kia where anyone has said the problem has gone away.

Do you think I can request they "undo" the campaign? Everything was fine up until that point..
 
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