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2012 Kia Soul !, Cranks but won't start

I hope someone can offer some suggestions on what I can try next.

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The blower inside my Soul was working intermittently. Started acting up about a year ago, but after a month it started working fine. Problem started up again this month - with the blower only working the 1st time the car was cranked in the am. As suggested on here, the problem might be the battery or the blower motor, so I choose the cheaper of the two options to test. I took my battery out to have it tested - tested fine. Brought it back, installed it in the car, car wheezed once but cranked ( I'll call it a sick sounding crank ) and ran.

However, the guy at the parts store was having problems with his tester and I wasn't sure if he really tested it well, so I took it out for a second opinion. Second opinion matched the first, but they left it on a trickle charger for me just to make sure it was fully charged. Installed the battery again yesterday and now car will not crank.

I've tested all of the blade fuses -- all showed resistance. I've visually inspected the square fuses - all look good. I've tested the resistance on the pins on the ignition coils - they also showed resistance. I've replaced both of the battery terminal connectors ( because I did have some corrosion ) and I've removed the ground connection to the chassis and have sanded it down to bare metal and reconnected. I've removed the ECU again just to make sure I didn't bend any pins - they all look good ( though I did scrub the outside of the ECU with a wire brush because it has some of the corrosion dust on the edges ).

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Anyone have a good suggestion of what I might be able to try next? I'm not a car-guy, but I like to learn new stuff and I can follow directions reasonable well.

Is it worth paying $80 for a used ECU on ebay to see if that is the problem?

Could I have caused a problem if I disconnected or reconnected the ECU while the battery was connected?

Are there any relays I should test?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

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... they left it on a trickle charger for me just to make sure it was fully charged. Installed the battery again yesterday and now car will not crank. ....
Did you check the static voltage of the battery, and also on the crank attempt, after you reinstalled it?
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I checked it when I installed it and it read 12.5.

I haven't checked it since -- mainly because I've tried multiple times to crank it and I assumed it has drained some in the attempt.

However, I did check it last week when I first started looking for the issue and while it was running, it was 14.3.

Are you also asking me to check the voltage as someone is trying to crank it and see if it changes?
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For any no crank, I would first want to absolutely rule out the battery. Although it's never happened to me personally, I've read multiple accounts of batteries having bad cells, but testing ok. In fact, just a few days ago I read a thread on another auto forum where 2 mechanics confirmed that it had happened to them. So for that reason, I would try to jump start it with a jumper or another vehicle. Easy to do, and will confirm the battery, one way or the other.

If the battery turns out to not be the problem (i.e. can't be jump-started), the next thing I'd recommend is to do diagnostic testing at the starter relay.
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For any no crank, I would first want to absolutely rule out the battery. Although it's never happened to me personally, I've read multiple accounts of batteries having bad cells, but testing ok. In fact, just a few days ago I read a thread on another auto forum where 2 mechanics confirmed that it had happened to them. So for that reason, I would try to jump start it with a jumper or another vehicle. Easy to do, and will confirm the battery, one way or the other.

If the battery turns out to not be the problem (i.e. can't be jump-started), the next thing I'd recommend is to do diagnostic testing at the starter relay.
I've ruled out the battery -- tried jumping with my other Kia, a 2014 Forte. Also checked all the spark plugs - all had a little bit of black (carbon?) on them, but not too excessive and smelled faintly of gas. The 1st was maybe a little wet, but others were not. I stuck a screwdriver in the end of the 1st ignition coil, held it close to a jumper cable connected to the negative terminal -- can confirm it works because my hand is now numb. Not going to try that on the other 3 until I find something more insulated.

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When you turn the key to the run(not crank) position, do you hear the in tank fuel pump whirr for a couple seconds? If you have spark, then the injectors should also be firing when cranking the motor. but if the pump is not supplying fuel it won't start.
You could try a shot of starting fluid or carb spray down the intake and see if it fires off on that (till the spray is used up). If it does, then I would say that indicates a bad fuel pump or wiring to it!
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Installed the battery again yesterday and now car will not crank.
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I've ruled out the battery -- tried jumping with my other Kia, a 2014 Forte. Also checked all the spark plugs - all had a little bit of black (carbon?) on them, but not too excessive and smelled faintly of gas. The 1st was maybe a little wet, but others were not. I stuck a screwdriver in the end of the 1st ignition coil, held it close to a jumper cable connected to the negative terminal -- can confirm it works because my hand is now numb. Not going to try that on the other 3 until I find something more insulated.

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Why would you bother checking the spark plugs if it doesn't even crank?

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Well WHICH is it anyway the title reads CRANKS but won't start. now on rereading posts , a sick (slow) crank and further down no crank! There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between CRANK and ENGINE RUN!
Have the battery "LOAD TESTED", a bad battery can show good VOLTS but you need AMPS also to work, by a battery store(autozone, O'Rielleys. NAPA) They do them for free. IF good recheck the cables and wire ends for CLEAN,SHINY connection points and tightness...IF the STARTER MOTOR will NOT spin(crank) the motor over.
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Why would you bother checking the spark plugs if it doesn't even crank?
As I said in my first post, I'm don't know a lot about the specifics of how the engine works, so I'm trying to provide as much data as possible for the knowledgeable people on here to point me in the correct direction. Also, I found another post through google said that one of the causes could be no-spark, so I wanted to make sure the spark plugs looked ok.
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Well WHICH is it anyway the title reads CRANKS but won't start. now on rereading posts , a sick (slow) crank and further down no crank! There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between CRANK and ENGINE RUN!
Have the battery "LOAD TESTED", a bad battery can show good VOLTS but you need AMPS also to work, by a battery store(autozone, O'Rielleys. NAPA) They do them for free. IF good recheck the cables and wire ends for CLEAN,SHINY connection points and tightness...IF the STARTER MOTOR will NOT spin(crank) the motor over.
Apologies that I don't know the preferred terminology. I thought crank mean that the engine was running. I'll go back to the original post and edit my mis-use of Crank.

Here is the current status: I put the key in, I turn the key, the engine turns over multiple times, but it will not get to "running". It may chug a time or two just to tease me, but it never runs.

Battery: I had it check by 2 different stores ( O'Reilly and Advanced Auto) - both said good both in volts and amps. I've replaced both battery terminal connectors ( because both had corrosion and the nuts used to tighten them had seen a bit of wear -- and I cleaned all the corrosion off the battery terminations with one of those wire brush tools.
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