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In Russia sales of KIA HP (Mojave / borrego)
The characteristics of the diesel engine made ​​with specificity the Russian market and taxes. The result was a very interesting machine. Especially because its price is 2 times lower Audi Q7 and Mercedes Benz GL350. The people began to take, but then we were caught up in trouble. The car is very bad is going on very bad asphalt. And in our climate and soil, bad asphalt - is the norm. Suspension machine made ​​expressly for the warm America. But the package is installed chic for winter. The mass of stupid technology solutions.
It became interesting.
We look to the U.S., there is no longer on this machine. We look to Canada, and here she died.
What's the problem? Koreans you explain something? What can we expect?
Borrego was sold in Russia with an automatic transmission 8 assists. This lineup of 2012.
In Russia, KIA sells 120,000 cars a year, including Borrego, only 550 pieces.
Why Borrego died in Canada and the U.S.? But please, not rumors! Only official information.
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I wrote with the help of an interpreter Google. Please write in short sentences correctly and without jargon. Otherwise I would not be able to translate into Russian. Thank you.

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The Borrego price is 2 times lower Audi Q7 and Mercedes Benz GL350

Seems that you get what you pay for. What specific problems does the deisel Borrego have on your rough roads?
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The Borrego price is 2 times lower Audi Q7 and Mercedes Benz GL350

Seems that you get what you pay for. What specific problems does the deisel Borrego have on your rough roads?
Thanks for the tips, but there is no need.
I would have to know them first hand why Borrego removed from sale in the U.S. and Canada?

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The design of the body is 5 years old and out dated. The suspension is bad on just about any road that is not completely smooth. There are too many SUVs all ready on USA's roads and this one was not needed.

Here are some pieces of an American review of the Borrego...
"the Borrego’s thoroughly conventional exterior styling is thoroughly forgettable, in a vanilla(generic) never goes into fashion kinda way. In fact, the Borrego’s sheetmetal is hardly more current– or desirable– than a circa-2002 domestic (car)."

About handling...
"Like Ford, Kia pairs an independent rear suspension (IRS) with body-on-frame construction."
and..
"The steering is lifeless, while the rear end isn’t, never quite settling down except on glass-smooth pavement. In one of the auto world’s greatest unsolved mysteries, live-axle dinosaurs from GM and Chrysler ride more smoothly and quietly than their IRS’d competitors, including this one."

To sum it up...
"Problem is, a thoroughly,and utterly conventional midsize SUV with best-in-class fuel economy in today’s market is like a beauty contest winner in a leper colony.

Here is the review I took the quotes from
2009 Kia Borrego Review | The Truth About Cars

KIA could not sell them here or in Canada so the decided to try Russia to try to get
back some of their capital ($$$$) invested in design and body panels.

By the way... Welcome mllaportru to the kia-forums.
I hope you visit here often.
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I gotta chime in...........

First of all a magaizine article aimed at a foreign auto MFG written in the USA is nothing but an opinion and in this case a slam and smear of the fastest growing auto MFG in the WORLD!

When I went looking for a new vehicle in 2009 I didnt know this Borrego even existed. I went looking for a Sorento (wasn't big enough) and the dealer showed me this gem! All I can say is this...

At the time I had driven every SUV made that I could drive locally where I shop. This list includes ALL the G.M Suv's, ALL the Ford Suv's, Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Dodge. The KIA Borrego was HANDS DOWN the best of the bunch not ONLY in quality and features but PRICE!!!! THAT is why I think this vehicle got the press it did. Had KIA been allowed to import these in Quantity and the public in America made aware of this bargain.....it would have made all the other OEM's suck air!!!! Plain and simple.

I have owned this now for almost two years, 40,000 miles and it has been BY FAR the most reliable, fun to drive thing I have ever put my butt in!
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Thank you Dave for your attention! You had to dig the internet.
This information I had also read.
Tell me please, if you know of course, get credit for the Borrego was equally easy, as the GM?
Borrego appeared in the U.S. as the time when the president of GM crawled on his knees in Washington for the money.
It's a Russian consumer loans take very few people. But in the U.S. automaker's total sales - is an achievement of the bank. This is the power. What do you think?
By the way!
The problem with the suspension, we in our their forum MOHAVOD.RU decided by three different methods.
The most expensive solution is 45,000 rubles, or $ 1,500, the cheapest 20,000 rubles, or $ 700.
All three solutions are equally good.
Now suspension Borrego, as LEXUS GX470.
But that's another story. The story says that the suspension at Borrego is yesterday's problem.

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Hello again...
Credit to buy cars can be gotten from a regular bank, a credit union, or right at the car dealership. The best way is going through a credit union. You have to be a member of the credit union (not a big deal). The interest is usually the lowest there.

The next best is to get a pre-approved bank car loan. You have your credit checked and they then tell you up to what amount of money they will loan you.

Then there is the car dealership. The BIG companies (like General Motors, Ford, Chrysler) actually OWN their own credit devisions and have the ability to give you credit right there and now. They are the most expensive way to buy a car...unless they
have "Special deals" like for loyal...return customers.. or "0" (zero percent financing) for certain cars. The car manufacturers are just about the same on being able to get credit from any of them. We look for best reviews on the cars, look for the most popular models, and the longest warranties. KIA here has 10 years or 100,000 miles.
Hyundai is now offering a guaranteed trade in amount when you bring your Hyundai back and trade it in on a new Hyundai a few years from now.
They all have their ways to get you to buy a new car..
I/We would be interested in you sharing what at your forum MOHAVOD.RU you do to modify your KIAs..
Please write back...
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I/We would be interested in you sharing what at your forum MOHAVOD.RU you do to modify your KIAs..
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I do not know English. Here's the problem.
How to tell?
In Borrego Springs is very hard in front, and a very weak shock absorbers.
In order not to have problems with the warranty from an authorized dealer, we remake the original shock absorbers in the two-sided gas and oil with double cuffs.
Also, we have produced a softer spring with variable stiffness.
Variable stiffness is required in order to move the softer springs not gone beyond the length of the shock absorber.
As a result, the appearance is obtained suspension, which does not differ from the original, but has quite different characteristics.
Most likely, this variant you will not be available for any money.
What can you do in America?
If you replace only the only absorbers shock, on KONI Heavy Track , then you will have to travel more secure. But if you want to on the road do not notice the bricks, then you will also find a softer spring. This is a difficult task, but the thirst for victory and good people will help you.
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At last the machine was defective doors on this is so much noise. And the rear shock absorbers were not adjusted yet.
Upgraded machines do not have the swing to the side, are stable in the turns andindifferent to the defective asphalt.

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Fantastic car rides!
I as an American male born in 1949 never thought I would be taken
for a ride with a Russian through their country with narration.
I thought we'd both die at each others hands (bombs) when I was young..
What a wonderful way to experience your country.

I can see you have made some very good improvements in the Mohave for your roads.
Have you tried to talk to KIA about your changes? Sounds like for a few rubles you made a super car...

I hope you visit kia-forums.com often and bring some of your country with you.
Again... Thank You!
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I hope many visiting posters get to see your videos and experience somewhere other than their own home land.
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