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Has anyone put HIDs in their Borrego? I have 10000K HIDs in my Taurus and just put some in my grandma's 2010 Fusion and I have decided to put them in the Borrego. Has anyone put in HIDs? If so, how much did it cost and how easy were they to hook up?

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I have.
And will tell one thing - I tested anything from about 6000K down to 4000K and found that there is nothing better than clear white light @4300K.
Anything above is... simply bad. Therefore, 10kK is one big mistake. I do not know why you decided to put 10kK on your grandmas car. It will kill her eyes. Human eyes hate blue color.
Besides, blue does not present colors correctly... but it looks cool. For kids, I think.


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I put in 5000k whites and I love them. I got them on ebay and made sure I got the smaller digital ballast - I think that is what they are called. Anyway, these ballasts are much smaller than the older style and I have not had any issues. I think I have had them for about 1.5 years now. Hardest part is removing the head light assembly. If you do some searching here, there are instructions listed on how to do this on the Borrego.
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I put in 5000k whites and I love them. I got them on ebay and made sure I got the smaller digital ballast - I think that is what they are called.
Oh, yes. The digital ballasts are better in a few ways.
The most important one is the current draw.
Let me give you some real numbers - from my own test during startup the current in old type of ballast spikes up to about 10-12A, and then slowly going down to steady about 3.2-3.8A (it depends on ballast's efficiency). It takes about 60 seconds at room temperature for current to stabilize.

The digital ones, though use the same current all the time. It takes longer to completely develop light (color and intensity) but it does not harm the wiring harness and you do not need extra cables/fuses.

Another pros is that they are smaller and lighter.

Downside - they consist of to parts...


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putting HID's into a headlight assembly designed for an incandescent bulb is a bad idea... Its illegal first of all, violates federal DOT regulations, and it will also tend to blind oncoming drivers.

Reason is that headlight reflectors are very carefully designed for the source of light. A filament light gives off its light in a very specific location. HID's don't do that, and tend to emit light from a much larger area. That results in all kinds of stray light spraying all over the place.

Projector headlights like in the borrego aren't as bad as a typical reflector, but they still suffer. Very likely the actual light output reaching the ground is going to be LESS than a good set of incandescent bulbs. If you put HID's into a reflector housing, I can 100% guarantee your light output on the ground is less, especially at 10k. (don't let the placebo effect convince you otherwise)

If you want know all the tech stuff behind why putting HID's in is a horrible idea, go to the daniel stern link below. He is possible the #1 expert on automotive lighting and explains it in detail, as well as links to a bunch of side-by-side tests of incandescent vs retrofit.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

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I have 10000k in my Taurus and I like it much better. I cannot stand driving a car now unless it has HIDs, whether it be a small car or a big truck or SUV. They are much brighter than the stock bulbs. And with the whole blinding aspect, BMW, Cadillac, Lexus, Infiniti, Acura, and other luxury models, not to mention crappy Toyota, all come/can come with the HIDs, which are ofter about an 8000k if I am correct. They blind me and other cars, I could care less. I just prefer HIDs over any stock bulb, unless it is a HID. That is my personal experience
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BMW, Cadillac, Lexus, Infiniti, Acura, and other luxury models, not to mention crappy Toyota, all come/can come with the HIDs, which are ofter about an 8000k if I am correct.
so you are all wrong...
Stock OEM HID is 4300K, only some American manufacturers used for some time 5000K, but for sure nothing more.

As for blinding and all the theory behind (provided by smokingcrate). It is true to some extend.
First of all, the article provided is old. Very old. Since then (especially the car tested) lights have changed a lot. And by many means.

There is no way to directly compare HID and halogen as there is no one standard halogen light bulb. Some of them have filament placed vertical, some horizontal... and it length - the whole filament produces light.

As for HID, there is a small bulb that makes the light. Comparing sizes - filament in some halogens is similar length. While light produced is... just a light.

Look at the movie, carefully. You will see that actually there is no extra light there, the patter is THE SAME.
Therefore, the statement that HID will glare is wrong. It does not. It is not HID lamp fault, but the reflector design.
They put halogen and HID into same type reflector. What they saw was simply the same pattern, the same bright spots, but HID made everything much more bright than it was with halogen.
You could achieve exactly same effect if you put 100W "xenon like" halogen bulb.

How you can test it? Simple - take a digital camera. Take a picture of the light pattern, install HID and do the same, but this time take more pictures with shorter shutter. You will see images are same.


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so you are all wrong...
You could achieve exactly same effect if you put 100W "xenon like" halogen bulb.
I tried putting the higher wattage "xenon like" bulbs in my Taurus. I put in Halo headlights and some from auto-tuning, I believe, and neither of them compare to my HIDs I have now.
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I tried putting the higher wattage "xenon like" bulbs in my Taurus. I put in Halo headlights and some from auto-tuning, I believe, and neither of them compare to my HIDs I have now.
sure, they were not blue enough


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sure, they were not blue enough
no, they didn't emitt enough light
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