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BorregoV8 - I out in the 5000k in my Borrego and love them. However, my wife says they are too much. Last night I managed to lock my keys in my Borrego (long story...) and my wife had to come up and unlock my car. On the way home, I always drive behind her, just being safe I guess. Anyway, she called me and said "get in front of me now, I you care blinding me" so I had to pass her and get in front of her. my point here is that I wish I had gotten the 4300k lights. They might not have been so bad.

Now I can tell you this much - these HIDs emit more light than my stock halogens. Now I did not do any scientific tests or run any before and after scenarios, but this is how I know. I can see better at night with the HIDs. Regardless of what Daniel Stern thinks, in my case I can see better, further and clearer at night than with the OEM bulbs. In my mind, that’s all that matters to me. I do think that going with anything about 5000k is not a good idea as the lint becomes bluer thus not illuminating as much (which is the whole point here), but I think the Borrego is perfectly suited for the HIDs replacement.

If you are ever in the Louisville, KY area, I would gladly meet up with you and show you how my lights look at night.

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BorregoV8 - Now I can tell you this much - these HIDs emit more light than my stock halogens.
How are your HIDs in term of longevity? I have not put them on my Borrego yet, but I have them in my Toyota Camry. The problem is in about 1 year, I've went through 4, 5 of these light bulbs. I think the problem is with one of the ballast. Initially when you turn on the HIDs, it seems like they are jolted with some high current. So the light bulbs go very bright at first, then the light bulbs went dim, then they brighten again slowly. I think this initial jolt is causing the light bulbs to fail pre-maturely. And one side seem to have a bigger jolt than the other. So I replaced the bad side with a different ballast. The initial jolt is not as bad as before. So hopefully the light bulb will last longer. But even on the better side, the light bulb just went out a couple days ago, which is just about 1 year. So I'm getting tired of replacing those HID light bulbs. I guess my question for those who are using the HIDs is that have your HID light bulbs last? And if you see the initial jolt of brightness when you first turn on the headlights?
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the initial jolt as you call it is actually ignition of the gas.

HID is a High Intensity Discharge lamp, what meant the gas is a source of light, not a filament. Therefore, initially to start a very high voltage (a few thousands volts) is applied to ignite the gas, then the voltage drops back to about 85V.

Initial ignition is not so bad. I mean, this does cause the most damage, but not if it was COLD start. During the warm start (lets say you had them on - turn them off, and reignite them again within one minute) you simply oxidize (or burn) the gas causing the premature failure.
It is much better to leave them on, unless you let them to cool off completely.

Bad ballast can be at fault, too. Too high ignition voltage or too high running voltage will damage the bulbs.

Never replace one side only. If you changed ballast do it to both sides with the same manufacturer. There are so many of them and there is no standard so that two sources may differ by 10V (80V vs. 90V). Still within specs but light will be different.


I have had them for about 2 years now. Still happy. Never had a failure. Also, had other set for about 2 years on older car and never failed.


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How are your HIDs in term of longevity? I have not put them on my Borrego yet, but I have them in my Toyota Camry. The problem is in about 1 year, I've went through 4, 5 of these light bulbs. I think the problem is with one of the ballast. Initially when you turn on the HIDs, it seems like they are jolted with some high current. So the light bulbs go very bright at first, then the light bulbs went dim, then they brighten again slowly. I think this initial jolt is causing the light bulbs to fail pre-maturely. And one side seem to have a bigger jolt than the other. So I replaced the bad side with a different ballast. The initial jolt is not as bad as before. So hopefully the light bulb will last longer. But even on the better side, the light bulb just went out a couple days ago, which is just about 1 year. So I'm getting tired of replacing those HID light bulbs. I guess my question for those who are using the HIDs is that have your HID light bulbs last? And if you see the initial jolt of brightness when you first turn on the headlights?
the ones I have are still running just like on day 1. When you power on the lights, there is a flash and then lights dim and then slowly go to full power. I would say this happens over a course of 3 seconds. My understanding is that this is normal. And I have not had any signs of my lights starting to weaken.
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I think I will go with a 5000K. If someone wants to complain about my lights, let em. I just want something brighter than the stock ones. They emit far enough, but not bright enough. Plus, I want the look. All of my cars are kept in clean, pristine condition. And I love the looks of the HIDs. Let me upload my car really quick
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the ones I have are still running just like on day 1. When you power on the lights, there is a flash and then lights dim and then slowly go to full power. I would say this happens over a course of 3 seconds. My understanding is that this is normal. And I have not had any signs of my lights starting to weaken.
Thanks for the feed backs. I guess it's just the manufacturer I got the ballasts (digital), and light bulbs from. But for mine, they do dim after a while. If you have to replace one light bulb, you will see. But it's still brighter than the stock bulbs.
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I think I will go with a 5000K. If someone wants to complain about my lights, let em.
I got the 5000K in my Camry, and I think it's fine. For the Borrego, I haven't done it yet. But if I do it, I would just cut the wires from before they go into the housing, and make my connection there. I would not try to take the housing out. It would be a lot easier that way, and if I need to go back to the original light bulb, all it's needed is to reconnect the cuts.
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I ordered 6K HIDs with a slim ballast. Hopefully they will be here Friday or Saturday. I put the 10K on my grandma's Fusion and she loves them. Yay for HIDs.
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does anyone know if i will need a relay harness?
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does anyone know if i will need a relay harness?
Not if you got the digital ballast.
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