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You may not be a "tech" but you're smarter then the last two who attempted repairs on this KIA!
Give that man a CIGAR!
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You may not be a "tech" but you're smarter then the last two who attempted repairs on this KIA!
Give that man a CIGAR!
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Well thank you... My thinking comes from years of installing car audio and security as well.

Reason why I mentioned it is because of the tweeter engine noise which can and usually is caused by a ground loop ( like Dave mentioned) but it could also be improper grounding. I also figured that since the issue is irregular it could be a loose connection. It's probably not the battery since the vehicle can still run while the alternator is functional. But if the connection at the alternator is faulty then that could be the problem or it could be the alternator itself.

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Wow!

Thanks for all the responses.

I haven't heard back from Kia today (I left a voicemail to give me a call). At this point, I think the only thing they've done is road test--trying to get the stalling to happen to them. They simply won't budge and actually do anything until they get their snapshot of the engine when it happens.

I had thought the same as some of you have stated, that is, how about just replacing something as simple as the fuel filter? My main question to them today was going to be: What were the 4 codes they got in Colorado? Then, why not try to follow those codes (i.e. cyl 2 misfire) and replace the associated items?

As far as the speaker noise, it can occur whether or not I have anything plugged into any of the 3 - 12v outlets. So it's definitely not from any external device. The speaker noise has been happening for several months.

I also do sound gigs as a side hobby and have an extensive amount of PA gear (another reason that I needed high towing capacity!).

One thing I haven't mentioned before, what with all the highly advanced technology of these engines and vehicles, if you open the hood and simply look at the engine compartment, there is a large bundle of wires going into the engine (directly under that black cover that says V8) that is held together with nothing but what seems to be cloth electrical tape, and some of that tape is coming apart. With an engine this fancy, you'd expect some kind of tubing--not cloth tape.

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I have a lxv8 and towed a 23ft for 3800 miles out to Yellowstone via SD, didn't have any thing go wrong. Only got 6 to 11 mpg.
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Sorry have EX v8 towed 23, one slid out, five people.
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Exclamation Got my Borrego back with a HUGE DENT in the hood!

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I got the vehicle back last Wednesday night. The dealer had it for about one week, but never fixed anything, since they couldn't reproduce the issue. They said they put 82 miles on it and never had it stall. However, they never performed the test that I had suggested, which was to tow a trailer down I-90 at 75mph where the interstate goes up and over a slightly mountainous area. In other words, put some stress on the engine. Also, we all believe that it's heat related, and the temp's never got above 70 degrees.

They had wanted me to pick up the vehicle in Billings. I said there's no way I can get up there (100 miles away), so they need to have it towed back here. After getting the run around by everyone, including Kia Consumer Affairs (they told me that towing it back wasn't in the warranty), Kia did agree to reimburse me for renting a car one-way to Billings. Funny thing is that the nearest rental car is in Cody, and since I had no way to get there, they'd have to drop off the vehicle here, then I would have to drive the rental to Billings. All told, it would've cost more ($250 to $300) to rent the car then it cost to have the Kia towed back! So they finally agreed to just tow it back.

They said that next time, if the stalling happens again, they will provide a loaner car.

Now comes the really, really, sad and unbelievable part!

When I got my '09 Kia Borrego EX-V8 back, guess what? There was DAMAGE to my vehicle! The front of my hood now has a HUGE dent in it! I detail my Borrego at least twice a month and it's never even gotten one door ding in 12 months! So while in Billings, or, while it was being towed, my spotless Kia incurred major damage!

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We recently took another road trip to Salt Lake City with the Borrego. We didn't have any engine problems...no stalling or anything else. So who knows? Maybe it was bad gas. Maybe the servicing they did in Grand Junction was all that was needed. Anyway, it seems to be running well.

So far, other than the stalling issue, we love our Borrego. It's a great vehicle all-around. It suits us well, especially where we live. Hopefully, we won't have any more problems with it.

That said, here's the list of issues we've had with it so far (27,000 miles):
1) The engine stalling issue, documented here. Hopefully, it never comes back.
2) The very un-nerving, high-pitched speaker noise coming from both rear tweeters. We've had the vehicle in the Kia shop twice, but they have yet to fix the issue.
3) The 4WD light that comes on once in a while by itself. Just rotate the Auto/4wd knob a little bit, and it goes away.
4) The switch on the inside of the roof for the middle light isn't working properly. If you set it to 'Door', so that it lights up when the doors are opened, you sometimes have to wiggle the switch to get the light to turn on.
5) Last winter, the rear door got 'stuck' several times. In other words, you simply couldn't open it from the outside...no matter what. Yes, it was unlocked (you could hear it). When you pulled on the door (pressing the invisible switch inside the handle), you'd hear it click but it would not allow itself to open. I feared that it was frozen shut? But it seemed to be electronic in nature. The only way that I could get it open was to go inside the truck, pull the emergency handle (designed so you can get out the rear door from the inside) and then with pretty good force--push the door open with both my feet. It seemed that there was something like a magnetic lock on both sides of the door that was not disengaging. This happened quite a few times last winter, but it hasn't happened since.

As far as the big dent in my hood, no one will own up to it (Kia or the tow company), so now I'm out $500 for the deductible. The total cost of replacing the hood is about $1700.

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Dang!!!!

What an experience. And to make matters worst, it seems like Kia is really dropping the ball on the customer service end. Like you I have had a couple of Isuzu's (Rodeo & Trooper) with no problems at all. Fortunately, I have yet to have any problems with my Borrego (EX V6 4x4). It has handled the hot muggy weather and traffic of atlanta with no problems whatsoever. Great AC also. Anyhow, good luck with yours and I hope that they finally resolved your issue, once and for all.



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We recently took another road trip to Salt Lake City with the Borrego. We didn't have any engine problems...no stalling or anything else. So who knows? Maybe it was bad gas. Maybe the servicing they did in Grand Junction was all that was needed. Anyway, it seems to be running well.

So far, other than the stalling issue, we love our Borrego. It's a great vehicle all-around. It suits us well, especially where we live. Hopefully, we won't have any more problems with it.

That said, here's the list of issues we've had with it so far (27,000 miles):
1) The engine stalling issue, documented here. Hopefully, it never comes back.
2) The very un-nerving, high-pitched speaker noise coming from both rear tweeters. We've had the vehicle in the Kia shop twice, but they have yet to fix the issue.
3) The 4WD light that comes on once in a while by itself. Just rotate the Auto/4wd knob a little bit, and it goes away.
4) The switch on the inside of the roof for the middle light isn't working properly. If you set it to 'Door', so that it lights up when the doors are opened, you sometimes have to wiggle the switch to get the light to turn on.
5) Last winter, the rear door got 'stuck' several times. In other words, you simply couldn't open it from the outside...no matter what. Yes, it was unlocked (you could hear it). When you pulled on the door (pressing the invisible switch inside the handle), you'd hear it click but it would not allow itself to open. I feared that it was frozen shut? But it seemed to be electronic in nature. The only way that I could get it open was to go inside the truck, pull the emergency handle (designed so you can get out the rear door from the inside) and then with pretty good force--push the door open with both my feet. It seemed that there was something like a magnetic lock on both sides of the door that was not disengaging. This happened quite a few times last winter, but it hasn't happened since.

As far as the big dent in my hood, no one will own up to it (Kia or the tow company), so now I'm out $500 for the deductible. The total cost of replacing the hood is about $1700.

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We recently took another road trip to Salt Lake City with the Borrego. We didn't have any engine problems...no stalling or anything else. So who knows? Maybe it was bad gas. Maybe the servicing they did in Grand Junction was all that was needed. Anyway, it seems to be running well.

So far, other than the stalling issue, we love our Borrego. It's a great vehicle all-around. It suits us well, especially where we live. Hopefully, we won't have any more problems with it.

That said, here's the list of issues we've had with it so far (27,000 miles):
1) The engine stalling issue, documented here. Hopefully, it never comes back.
2) The very un-nerving, high-pitched speaker noise coming from both rear tweeters. We've had the vehicle in the Kia shop twice, but they have yet to fix the issue.
3) The 4WD light that comes on once in a while by itself. Just rotate the Auto/4wd knob a little bit, and it goes away.
4) The switch on the inside of the roof for the middle light isn't working properly. If you set it to 'Door', so that it lights up when the doors are opened, you sometimes have to wiggle the switch to get the light to turn on.
5) Last winter, the rear door got 'stuck' several times. In other words, you simply couldn't open it from the outside...no matter what. Yes, it was unlocked (you could hear it). When you pulled on the door (pressing the invisible switch inside the handle), you'd hear it click but it would not allow itself to open. I feared that it was frozen shut? But it seemed to be electronic in nature. The only way that I could get it open was to go inside the truck, pull the emergency handle (designed so you can get out the rear door from the inside) and then with pretty good force--push the door open with both my feet. It seemed that there was something like a magnetic lock on both sides of the door that was not disengaging. This happened quite a few times last winter, but it hasn't happened since.

As far as the big dent in my hood, no one will own up to it (Kia or the tow company), so now I'm out $500 for the deductible. The total cost of replacing the hood is about $1700.

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There is a KIA service bulletin on the rear electric hatch lock being bad on some models so I would assume you got one of them I also have had the 4WD and the pitch control come on by itself once on a cold start but mine would not turn off, I had to re start the truck and then it went away. Other than that I have a little more than 20K miles on her and have had very few service issues.

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