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Did some drop in and phone inquires today regarding a remote starter for our Boreggo. 2 installers told me it can be done but parts and labour are twice as much as the actual remote start and no problem getting it done. I then talked to the installer that the Kia dealership had refferd me to had said at the moment that they are currently not installing starters on vehicles with the pushbutton start. There are also other Kia brands that have this same issue. Just a forwaring to others here to be sure you check out reputable installers. I'm kind of kicking myself now having the pushbutton start although it was the only unit on the lot the dealer had that we really wanted with the best deal.

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What was the reason why they don't want to install in push button vehicles?? and where are you located?
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Sorry for the slow response. I don't check here very often. I live in Edmonton, and the installer (remote start) told me there are some issues with the security system. One being that sometimes the vehicle will not recognise the key fob even if it's plugged into the reciever on the dash not allowing it to start period. Not something I want to happen especially to the wife as it's her vehicle and I would hear about it for a long while.
There were a couple of companies that said they would install it but never mentioned any issues. I think I will trust the installer Kia recommended as they have somewhat of a reputation to uphold
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Sure going with the installer that KIa recommended is the way to go, especially if there's a problem. I've checked tech info on the vehicle and it doesn't mention anything special about that type of ignition.
I have a few years experience installin and I was going to offer the install if by fluke you were close to me.

Certainly remote starter territory in Edmonton, I just left Calgary yesterday and it was starting to get cold in that area.. All the best and post any info that you might think is important if you have the install done..
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I just bought my 09 EX and i found ralphcom in wetaskiwin will install a remote start in a push button ignition and were not over priced from what I have been getting quoted for one. If it helps?
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Thanks but I think I'm going to wait until this installer has their problems resolved as they are going to warranty the starter for the full 5 year Kia warranty if that really means something or not it still gives me some comfort level. But if you are getting it done please post back on how it went, pros cons etc.
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Just to add a little to this conversation. I have been chatting with someone over on 12VoltData.com about the remote start options for my Borrego Limited....Does look like it can be done, but not the way that I would really like it to happen. Might be an interesting read for some of you.

Here is the link: The Ultimate Online Support Forum - View topic - Remote start for a 2009 Kia Borrego Limited?

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Butch have you tried running the vehicle with the window down and simply pushing on the door unlock switch?
Have you actually went to Kia and asked about having an extra key coded to the vehicle? Like actually done it? I've done many remote starts over the years, no unfortunately not what you're driving, but I've never heard of manufacturer that limits you to only two keys..

Hope you get it working the way you want it to. Mine is the lower end Borrego without the smart key so I can't do a write up about it.
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Butch have you tried running the vehicle with the window down and simply pushing on the door unlock switch?
Have you actually went to Kia and asked about having an extra key coded to the vehicle? Like actually done it? I've done many remote starts over the years, no unfortunately not what you're driving, but I've never heard of manufacturer that limits you to only two keys..

Hope you get it working the way you want it to. Mine is the lower end Borrego without the smart key so I can't do a write up about it.

Yep...

1 - Rolled windows down

2 - Started vehicle

3 - Closed door, reached in window, locked the vehicle (can't lock driver door with vehicle running and door open)

4 - Put FOB about 50 feet away, and went back to vehicle and tried pushing the door button. Vehicle would not do anything.

5 - Got FOB, went back to still running vehicle, walked to door, pushed door button (not FOB button), and Borrego just does a long beep at me. Will not unlock the vehicle. FOB is also dead, and will not unlock the vehicle, nor do any other function while vehicle is running.

6 - Had to reach into vehicle and manually unlock door, so I could then reach over and shut it off.


Kia can only code 2 FOBS for our vehicle. Service manager verified it for me first, and when I didn't believe him 100%, I started investigating on the web.

This 2 FOB limit is a limitation by the manufacture of the security FOB system (Siemens-VDO). There is documentation on the web about it. Search the web for the FCC ID on the back of one, and you can find the Siemens documentation in a few places.

Very stupid design, which is why in the link I gave, I was trying to find out if there was a way to clone the ID in one of my existing FOBs. A cloned one would give me another spare to keep somewhere safe. There are a few companies that already make the cloning hardware for some other key systems. I'm just hoping that at some point they get around to making something for the Siemens-VDO system.

If there is a way around the 2 FOB limit, Kia (nor Siemens) is letting on about it, even if it would mean they could sell more of those nice expensive FOBs.

The guys over at 12volt are pretty much to go-to guys when you have questions. They are part of the group that makes the data systems that connect to the data control lines in most new vehicles now. Basically, if it is controlled through a digital data command, then their boxes can replicate it and do it from a FOB. Problem is when the data is encrypted, like with my FOB. No way (so far) to fool the auto into thinking it is talking to the FOB, not a 3rd party box. They cracked the encryption for Dodge recently, which opened up a whole new world for them and Dodge owners!

I'm open for suggestions though! Anyone else run into this crap with their Borrego Limited yet? I'm especially interested in someone coming up with a way around the 2 FOB limit.

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Sounds a little depressing doesn't it? I bought a system a few months ago and never bothered to install it.
Now that it's getting pretty cold out I'm going to give it a go and install a remote starter, give me a week or two to get through my other installs and I'll let you know what happens.
I have two by-pass modules that I can use, one is by Compustar "Blade" and the other is Fortin CanSL2. Neither mentions anything about what you're describing. Then again it's been tough finding an oil filter for this thing..
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