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I just got this email last night;

"We are proud to announce our new Firmware for FULL and simple coverage on the Hyundai/Kia push to start vehicles.

ADS-AL(DL)-HK2

NO KEY REQUIRED!!!

The firmware is available on ADS-AL CA and ALL its little brothers.

Check it our here iDatalink - Front Page "
I got the same email last night...I was coming on here to let people know also, and saw you beat me to it.

I will be calling around to some installers later this week, or maybe go pay a visit to a few this Saturday, and see what they say. I was very excited to see they got this working! This will kick ass in the Limited Borrego!

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Let us know when you get yours installed and working flawlessly.
Mines not a push button ignition..
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I got the same email last night...I was coming on here to let people know also, and saw you beat me to it.

I will be calling around to some installers later this week, or maybe go pay a visit to a few this Saturday, and see what they say. I was very excited to see they got this working! This will kick ass in the Limited Borrego!
If this news is coming straight from idatalink, which it is, then you're guaranteed it's going to work.
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May I ask why do you say that? I'm not being smart, it's just that I'm ignorant as to who they are. I'd love to get automatic start, if I could find a good installer in Atlanta to do it.
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May I ask why do you say that? I'm not being smart, it's just that I'm ignorant as to who they are. I'd love to get automatic start, if I could find a good installer in Atlanta to do it.
Idatalink has been a maker of bypass modules for many years, one of the original manufacturers/products I believe. It's a brand that I've installed many times and I've personally never had issues.

Look for a local online car forum and you're bound to find a good installer. Or drive by some shops and speak with installers directly.... and as long as there's a good warranty then you can really go wrong.
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I'm am scheduled to have the remote start installed on my Borrego on the 17th, using the iDataLink module. The installer was already familiar with it, because he had gotten a dealer notification about it from them. I'm feeling pretty comfortable about the installer I have chosen. He seems to know what he is talking about, and I have talked to a few people that have had work done by him. Very small shop. Basically a one-man operation for the most part.

Will update everyone here once it is installed.
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Had the remote start installed.... (Remember, mine is on a Limited with the Smartkey push-to-start system)

Couple of things to note:

1 - This did NOT require me to give up a key fob, like some of the previous remote start setups would require. This was the biggest thing holding me back from getting a remote start system. I still have both smartkeys, and they both work as they should.

2 - This is a Compustar 6000 brain, with a single button fob kit (1BAMR). The brain uses the iDatalink Blade system for the bypass. We used the 6000 brain, which is an alarm & remote start controller together. This was done only because I also wanted to use the "knock-to-unlock" add-on, and also to add the temp sensor to automatically start the vehicle when the inside temp gets too high/low. The 6000 allows using both of these options, where the 6200 brain (remote start only) does not allow those options.

System does work, but not 100% like it should. Installer will be talking to Compustar this week to discuss the issues that we found.

The bad...
1 - System does not start every time I request it to.
a - When I press the button to remote start the Borrego, sometimes, the brain will begin the process to start the vehicle, but will not actually start the vehicle, BUT it thinks it has started the vehicle. It does not retry, since it thinks it is already running. Most remote start systems will check to see if the vehicle is currently running, and if it isn't, it will try to start it again, usually retrying 3 times.
b - While the brain *thinks* the vehicle is running, I can tell it to "stop" the motor, even though it isn't actually running. Then, if I tell it to remote start again, it will work correctly the 2nd time. This sucks, because I can't hear the engine running to know if it actually did start or not the 1st time, so that I know if I need to have it try the 2nd time.
c - I think that if we get the brain to detect that the vehicle isn't running, then it will properly retry to start the vehicle, and will probably work ok then. Yes...It should get it right the first time, but my previous vehicles with remote start didn't always start on 1st try either, so it is no big deal to me. The brain is supposed to get the info about whether the engine is running or not on the CANbus lines, but something isn't working correctly there. Maybe, it will need to be hooked up like a normal vehicle to the tach line??? Waiting for Compustar to answer.
d - The reason it seems for the failure on the 1st try has to do with the vehicle "not seeing the key". Well, the bypass module simulates the key, so it almost seems like a timing issue with the brain not showing the "key" to the Borrego at the proper time. Again, waiting on Compustar to answer.

2 - Every now and then, it will start properly on the 1st try. Not an issue, except that it is random.

3 - Alarm...I hate the alarm on this Compustar 6000 system. I found myself inside the vehicle, with the 6000 alarm armed, and when my girlfriend went to get out, the alarm was set off. Of course, my keys are buried in my pocket, so I had to try to quickly dig them out, and cut off the alarm. I am talking to the installer about disabling the 6000 alarm. OEM alarm works fine. I've tested it, and am happy with the OEM alarm. Remember, I asked for the 6000 due to the additional options it gave me.

4 - This one I was already aware of, but still bothers me greatly....OEM fob & the door handle unlock button does not work when the engine is running. So, when I remote start the Borrego, it auto locks the doors for me, but then if I want to get into the vehicle, I have to use the remote start fob to unlock the doors. Not a huge deal for the most part, but I am way too accustomed to just walking up to the vehicle and pressing the door unlock button. I don't like having to pull my keys out of my pocket to just unlock the door. I am actually pushing the Kia dealership to contact Kia Motors about this and see if there is a way to re-enable the key fob or at least the door handle button, while the engine is running. This really should be an option for the customer.


The good....
1 - Handover does work properly. So...I remote start the vehicle, go to the vehicle and unlock the door with the remote start fob (and have the OEM fob with me), get in vehicle, push brake pedal, and put it in drive and drive away. Basically, the system does see my OEM fob when I get in, and when I press the brake pedal, that shuts down the remote start unit, and hands control over to my OEM fob. I really like this. I was worried that this was not going to work correctly.

2 - Ummmm....It works sometimes????


It has only been installed for 3 days, and I know that I am one of the 1st to get this new bypass system installed, so I'm not upset about the problems we have found so far. Compustar is a great company, and I do believe they will find the issues and can address them with updates to the Blade module. That is one of the nicest things about their equipment. It can be upgraded if bugs are found.


I will update again once things are worked on again.

Later!
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Ok...someone reminded me that I need to update this thread.

So, I am still at the same place as above. Read above post to refresh your memory.

Dealer is *still* working with ADS iDatalink & Compustar on a solution. Special code has been written by ADS, and lots of "hacks" to test theories about what is going on, but no luck with any of it.

Even though I am very happy to see a solution that doesn't require me to use one of my two key fobs for the remote start system, it is getting to the point that it just isn't worth it when the bugs are not worked out.

So...I have some questions for you guys to see if any of you can help.

ADS (iDatalink) is saying that it works great on the Borrego(s) that they have tried it on. I have specifically asked them if these Borregos have push-to-start, and they say "yes". So, I assumed they are all the "Limited" Borregos, since that is the way it is in the US. Well, this may not be the case since ADS is in Canada, and we are now finding out that the Canadian Borregos seem to have push-to-start available on all of their models. Plus, we are now seeing that there are actually 2010 Borregos available in Canada, but the US is only 2009. I didn't even know a 2010 Borrego was being made in North America.

Now, we may have found out that ADS hasn't done an actual install on the V8 models, but only on the V6 ones. There just may not be that many V8 models up there for them to play with.

Kia is saying that the PCM is different between the V6 & V8 models, so that *may* be why it doesn't work 100% correctly on my V8. The remote start bypass may only be written for a V6 model, based on what ADS had available to test with.

ADS says they are going to try to get their hands on a V8 model. Anyone in the Montreal area with a 2009 V8 Limited, that could get their Borrego over to ADS to help with this? If you don't have a 2009, then how about a 2010 V8 model, just so they can see if there truly is a difference in the PCM setup.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask them. I have learned a lot about this thing!

Oh yeah...and I will be getting rid of the 6000 series brain, if we ever get the remote start stuff to work. I just can do without the alarm functions that the 6000 brain offers. I will go back to the brain that is for remote start only. Too many times I accidentally set off the 6000 alarm. I will deal with the factory alarm only. It does the job just fine.

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Thanks Butch for the update. I've been holding off for those specifc reasons. Hopefully the bugs will be worked out before the vehicle is ready for retirement.
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Finally completed my install in our 09 LX with no push button start. It required the use of a bypass module that came with a ignition barrel loop. Module basically simulated an ignition key. Only way to program it is with a KIA scan tool.
After a bit of sweet talking the dealership I managed to get them to agree to program it... of course they swore up and down that it would not work. I spent some time with their technician in the shop and after a couple of tries the module was programmed and the starter works perfectly.

Something else I learned is that the LX version will program up to eight ignition keys. I know someone mentioned only two before.
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