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One thing WORRIES me a lot....
Have you replaced the timing belt ...when and at what mileage?
If a tooth or two have come off of the timing belt you will get codes similar to what you are posting...
Going on a trip with a bad timing belt could prove disastrous.... If it breaks you WILL trash the engine far away from home...
I hope you get this before you leave...
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If you had sludge build-up, and an engine flush was used, then its good practice to repeat oil and oil filter changes at short intervals thereafter until you're confident that the dislodged sludge is cleared.

I would get an oil change done using a high quality full synth oil and OEM filter change done and assess it.

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No I haven't had the timing belt changed...

Does this seem like a timing belt or sludge build up?

If it was a timing belt, wouldn't the
engine light stay on and not turn off every so often?
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I assumed that your model had a timing chain, and that's why I was leaning towards an oil and variable valve timing issue - check your owners manual service section for the timing belt change interval, and if its not there, that would confirm that its a timing chain.

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I also had them do a flush where they put some Penray 7512 Oil System Cleaner
That rings alarm bells for me - if this was deemed necessary, that's bad for any engine, but worse for those with variable valve timing.

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If you are the original owner and have never replaced the timing belt you are sitting on a ticking time bomb...
It may have a timing belt or a timing chain depending on the engine...
https://www.openbay.com/timing-belt-...09-kia-borrego
A long trip (say 500~1000 miles from home and the belt breaks you are in for some serious problems...
A badly worn belt can/will cause changes in the timing that may come and go...(from the slop in the belt)...

I also am not a fan of having the engine oil passages flushed...The loosened material may plug a critical passage in a bearing journal and cause bearing failure..

Look into "if" you have a timing belt...
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I don't know if my vehicle has a timing chain or a timing belt. It has the 4.6L V6 engine...

The owners manual does not mention how often the timing belt or chain (whichever it is ) should be replaced
so I have no idea if 110K miles is excessive or not...

This morning the engine light was off while I put over 15 miles on it and half a dozen engine starts and then it came on
again. If the timing belt or chain (whichever it is) is bad, would it not light the engine light?

So I leave on my trip next Sunday which leaves me with a week to figure this out or attempt to get it in to the Kia dealer
for servicing but would like to know my options or how critical of a situation is...

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I just looked on rock auto and they show a timing chain for the this model and I was mistaken, it is a 3.8L V6

Do timing chains go as little as 110k miles?
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I would go with my suggestion in post 12.

A timing chain will last well in excess of 110K miles, .....IF the engine is maintained correctly - the timing chain tensioner is hydraulic using engine oil, so just like the variable valve timing needs good clean oil so does the tensioner.

You haven't replied to the question why you saw the need for the engine flush.

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I would go with my suggestion in post 12:


A timing chain will last well in excess of 110K miles, .....IF the engine is maintained correctly - the timing chain tensioner is hydraulic using engine oil, so just like the variable valve timing needs good clean oil so does the tensioner.

You haven't replied to the question why you saw the need for the engine flush.
The instant oil change place that I took it to a couple of weeks ago noticed that I
had exceeded 5k miles since my last oil change and suggested that I do the flush...

So, should I buy the filter at the KIA dealer or can I trust NAPA would have an adequate
filter?


What brand of oil should I use, Synthetic 5w20 , any specific brand?

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That quick lube place did a sales number on you - anyway, if an engine needs a flush, its got to have short interval follow-up oil and oil filter changes to remove the debris and sludge that the flush loosened.


I personally use Mobil-1 fully synthetic but any reputable oil brand would be fine, and select the oil weight listed in your owners hand book.

To be on the safe side, I always use OEM oil filters.

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