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Thinking about a Borrego

Hi All,

This is my first post on Kia-Forums. My wife and I just bought a 2005 Casita 17' Freedom Deluxe travel trailer last week. The original owner was gracious enough to deliver it to us (480 mile round trip). We do not own a tow vehicle yet. We own a 2008 Kia Rondo that we enjoy, but it is only rated to tow 2000 lbs, so it is not an option as a tow vehicle. The Casita weighs 2,900 lbs and has an axle weight of of 3,500 lbs.

We would like a tow vehicle rated to tow 5,000 lbs. Given that my wife will drive the tow vehicle some as her daily driver, she has vetoed a pickup truck! We are shopping for a used midsize SUV. My research seems to point to a Toyota 4 Runner as the benchmark midsize SUV to tow a small travel trailer. Given that Casitas tend to be a bit tongue heavy (estimating the tongue weight to be 400 lbs plus/minus 50 lbs), I think we would be better off with a truck based SUV like the 4 Runner or Borrego rather than a crossover. My goal is the following regarding the tow vehicle:

1. Stay as close to $10,000 as possible (can go a wee bit higher)
2. Stay under 100,000 miles.
3. Less than 10 years old.

There are plenty of 4 Runners out there, but tough to find one at my price point without going very high with the miles. Borregos are not as plentiful, but I have found a reasonable supply within 500 miles of my house. For the money, compared to a higher mileage 4 Runner with fewer features, I can find Borregos with 70,000 to 100,000 miles for $12,500 plus/minus $2,500 before negotiating a better price that have more features. There does not seem to be a big difference in the price of V6 vs. V8 Borrego, so I am leaning toward the V8 (able to tow 7,500 lbs.). I can find Limiteds or loaded EXs for less money than 4 Runners.

I am on several RV forums, but there aren't many folks out there towing travel trailers with Borregos.

What are your thoughts about towing with a Borrego? Am I too late to the Borrego game, or is a loaded Borrego with less than 90,000 miles for $11,000 plus/minus $1,000 as good of deal as it appears to me?

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Couple points:

While not a travel trailer I have towed cars on a tow dolly several times with my V8 Borrego and I didn't even know the dolly/vehicle were even back there in either acceleration or braking. Dolly and vehicles had to be well over 4,000 pounds.

It is probably the best vehicle I have ever owned and that includes a couple each of Lincolns, Jaguars and Volvo's.

My Borrego now has 94k miles and I wouldn't sell it for anything near $12-14k.
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Hi,

We have found a high mileage (153,000) '07 Toyota 4 Runner that has been owned locally for the last 6 years. It is a well optioned V8 4X4 that has everything we want other than leather. I can buy it for $11,700.

I have also found a very nice Borrego Limited V8 4X2 with all the bells and whistles with 83,500 for $12,000, but I will need to drive 500 miles (one way) to finalize the deal.

Love the idea of only 83,000 miles compared to 153,000, but 500 miles will require some effort. Hopefully, it will be as nice as it appears to be. The Borrego is definitely nicer in terms of the options.

Thank you.
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Borrego towing

I have a 2009 Borrego, V8, LX, 4x2, with 85K miles. I tow an S and H two horse trailer that weighs 5K lbs loaded throughout Colorado and hardly know it is back there! Gas mileage 18 without trailer, 10 or less with trailer but depends on hills. Before the Borrego I had a 1999 4 Runner that I put 250K miles on and did the same towing, but it was so painful because the 4 Runner is underpowered with just a v6--35 mph over mountain passes, tops. Yes, the newer 4 Runners have newer engines, but still only a V6. I had planned on buying a new 4 Runner in 2009 when Toyota retooled it, but they chose not to offer a V8, so I searched hard for a similar vehicle with a v8. The Borrego is the closest thing to a 4 Runner and I like it much better. Reliability has not been an issue at all. Excellent turning radius. Liftback window is not functional. Does ride a little rougher than the 4 Runner but changing out the stock Hankooks for Michelins helped. Does not heat up as quickly on a cold day but heated seats are good. AC compressor is a bit noisy when it kicks on. Sound system is just OK, nothing special. Riders in back seat complain of a harsh ride on bumpy/washerboard roads, and leg room is a little tight there if front seats are pushed back all the way - and that is necessary for most drivers. I never use the 3rd row seats because you lose too much cargo space. The bad: The electric plug receptacle is way under the rear bumper and practically requires you to crawl on your stomach to plug it in. I spent $30 and 1 hour to relocate it near the hitch and am really satisfied now. Hope this helps.
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I have an EX 4x2 V8. Just hit 77,000 miles and still enjoying it. Very little maintenance in the past 6 years of ownership. Just get good quality tires and you will be pleased. My dad picked up an EX V6 4x4 this year with 40,000 miles on it for around $16,000. My brother also has one. Guess we are a borrego family. 4Runners are a great choice too.
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Would have been much easier to buy the high mile 4 Runner (153,000 miles) the next town over for $11,700. It was an '07 SR5 Sport Edition 4X4 with all the options we needed and wanted other than leather. But, when it came time to pull the trigger, I had one more conversation with one of dealers that had the Borrego Limited with 83,500 miles. They dropped the price another $250 to $11,750 (even though they add $389 as a "dealer fee"). Given it is a Limited, it is loaded. I did not realize that they had just put on a new set of tires. That is what won me over. The 4 Runner only had about 40% tread left on Michelins.

The bottom line, we put a deposit on the Borrego! It will be a 490 mile drive (one way). My wife and I will drive there on Friday, December 11th, test drive on Saturday morning, with the plan of purchasing the Borrego. In terms of money, it will cost me about $500 more plus the road trip, including one night in a hotel. I think this will be well worth it to get a Borrego with nearly 70,000 less miles than the 4 Runner, new tires, and all the options we want (plus some).

Looking forward to the road trip!

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Hope the deal works out okay and that you are pleased with it. You will like the V8 combined with the ZF transmission.
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I am anticipating no prolems pulling a 17' Casita weighing 2,900 lbs, given the Borrego will tow 7,500 lbs!!!
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Hi All!

Well we pulled the trigger and bought the Borrego Limited V8 2WD on Saturday. After weeks of Internet research for a tow vehicle for our new to us Casita travel trailer, we put down a $500 deposit to hold the Borrego that was nearly 500 miles south of us in southern Georgia. We left on Friday, spent the night, got up Saturday, did the inspection, test drive, closed the deal, and my wife drove the Borrego home and I drove the Honda Fit. Hmmm.

All went well on the drive home. The Borrego got 22.9 MPG running up to 75 mph at times. Impressed. As mentioned previously, it had 83,500 miles on it. Given that it is a Limited, it is loaded. I have never owned a vehicle with so many bells and whistles. It is in very good shape. Given it is 6 years old, there are a few little reminders here and there that it is used. One of the four roof AC vents is broken. The roof mounted DVD player does not appear to be working. Given that we are soon to be empty nesters, we don't really care about the DVD player, but will still investigate further. Other than that and mild wear and tear, it is GREAT!

I did finally get to drive it today for a little 80 mile jaunt. SWEET! I think it will be a great tug for our Casita. Functional, yet very comfortable with more luxury than we were expecting in a used tug for the price.

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I'm glad it all worked out well for you. At least the weather was quite warm and you didn't have to worry about snow.
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