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... So There is your answer on why your drivetrain is noisy on these cars, and can get noisier with wear. ....
Can you share on this forum one or more documented cases of people eliminating (or greatly reducing) the noise on one of these Kia/Hyundai engines, by replacement of the lifters?

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Funny, the wife' 2013 started to get a ticking sound, and squeaking sound in her engine.. This has been going on for some time.. Took it for a Oil change, tire rotation and coolant flush at the dealer.. Next told them about the two mentioned issues.. Need a tensor pulley, and AC compressor.. All cost me $100 under extended warranty.. All noise gone, engine runs very smooth.. Now there being mention in this thread about whether not warming up the engine can cause engine issue in the future.. Well I always let it warm until the it idles down, usually after a minute or two, then I take off, but never drive it fast or hard on the pedal.. Never had a engine failure in my 13 yr driven Kia cars.. In fact my first 206 Sportage EX went 168K miles and never seen warranty work, and never had any engine repair work, other that your normal routine maintenance (plugs, belts filters). Plus I live in Texas, so that might be a reason for not having those kinds of issues, as the climate were I live, is more hot than cold.. Good luck on finding the issue.
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Car hit 190,000 km yesterday. Put just over 50,000 km since end of March!! I am cutting down my Courier work due to the fact I have to take care of my husband since he fell and hurt his knee really bad and had surgery two weeks ago, anyways, the tick is getting worse and the gas mileage is suffering too but I have accepted the fact (daughters BF is a former KIA Master Tech) that the noise is normal
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Car hit 190,000 km yesterday. Put just over 50,000 km since end of March!! I am cutting down my Courier work due to the fact I have to take care of my husband since he fell and hurt his knee really bad and had surgery two weeks ago, anyways, the tick is getting worse and the gas mileage is suffering too but I have accepted the fact (daughters BF is a former KIA Master Tech) that the noise is normal

To me that still doesn't seem right. No disrespect to your Daughters BF.. But even with fuel mileage suffering, it just doesn't seem right.
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To me that still doesn't seem right. No disrespect to your Daughters BF.. But even with fuel mileage suffering, it just doesn't seem right.
I have not mentioned the fuel mileage as of yet, believe he will remedy it for me once he finds out I hope that is
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My tick was the engine eating itself at 41800 miles. I thought it was an injector or lifter issue but it turned out to be a problem with the number one cylinder. Look for metal shavings in your engine The engine oil was full of metal shavings. KIA is currently replacing the engine under the warranty.
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Well, how about you? You're ranting about why no one has done this, but how many owners have anything close to your background? I'm a typical shade tree DIYer who would be willing to take on the job of diagnose and repair of an actual internal engine issue that takes the vehicle off the road, but I would never consider tearing it down simply to chase a ticking noise. I suspect that most other DIYers with average skills and knowledge would feel the same way about this. And no owner who doesn't DIY is going to pay a huge amount of $$ to a shop to find a noise, when there is no associated performance issue.

And AFA a 'procedure', aside from using a stethoscope as you described, the only other option would be to start disassembling (timing cover, valve cover, head ...), in order to diagnose for issues. Again, this is something that very few owners would ever consider doing, and even fewer would have the skills to do the work successfully, without messing up their daily driver. The automakers are making vehicles more complex over time (particularly with more electronic systems), and the byproduct of that is fewer and fewer DIYers every day. A quick look at most auto forums will confirm that. So don't look around for anyone else to do this, because there's no one there.

I will say that there have been a very small number of DIY reports, where owners have had issues with the timing chain loop. I refer to it that way, because there's never been enough good follow up describing exactly what was found. So those problems could have been tensioner, guides, or possibly something self-inflicted, such as sludge. And of course any problem along those lines could produce a ticking noise, so there's one possibility for you to consider.

And the final thing I'll add is that Kia/Hyundai have issued TSBs stating that some aftermarket oil filters do not meet their specs, and can cause issues. No details or names in those bulletins, only that the automakers always recommend using OEM filters. So if you don't currently use Kia filters, you might want to try that, simply because it's an easy thing to do.
I believe what your hearing is "Carbon Tick". It is common on DI engines as well as sequential FI engines. Designers keep the area called 'Squish" to a minimum. This is the clearance between the piston top and valves at TDC. If you read your manual Kia recommends adding a good quality injection cleaner/combustion chamber cleaner every oil change. This will help keep the build up to a minimum. Carbon tick is not metal on metal contact, but remember carbon is very hard. If carbon separates from the engine components and (you have a turbo motor) it may cause damage over time to the turbo impeller.
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ps....on the oil filters. Kia does not have some special technology in regards to oil filters.
I have been told (not verified) that WIX makes their filters. You can purchase good quality WIX filters online....
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I believe what your hearing is "Carbon Tick". It is common on DI engines as well as sequential FI engines. Designers keep the area called 'Squish" to a minimum. This is the clearance between the piston top and valves at TDC. If you read your manual Kia recommends adding a good quality injection cleaner/combustion chamber cleaner every oil change. This will help keep the build up to a minimum. Carbon tick is not metal on metal contact, but remember carbon is very hard. If carbon separates from the engine components and (you have a turbo motor) it may cause damage over time to the turbo impeller.
You are apparently not aware that fuel additives will have zero effect on GDI intake valve carbon build up, simply because it never gets there. On port injected (MPI) engines, the intake valves are 'washed' by gasoline, however that does not happen on the TGDI engines. And that's the cause of any extra carbon build up in those engines. Techron, etc is still a good thing to do, but it will not have any effect on intake valve carbon build up.

AFA the noise being 'carbon tick', I have no idea if that's possible or not. But, as with any of the noise theories, it needs to be supported by physical proof. In this case, proof would be cleaning off the carbon from a noisy engine (via walnut blasting, ....), with the result being elimination or great reduction in noise. Without proof, it's only speculation, just like all of the other unsupported noise theories.
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You are apparently not aware that fuel additives will have zero effect on GDI intake valve carbon build up, simply because it never gets there. On port injected (MPI) engines, the intake valves are 'washed' by gasoline, however that does not happen on the TGDI engines. And that's the cause of any extra carbon build up in those engines. Techron, etc is still a good thing to do, but it will not have any effect on intake valve carbon build up.

AFA the noise being 'carbon tick', I have no idea if that's possible or not. But, as with any of the noise theories, it needs to be supported by physical proof. In this case, proof would be cleaning off the carbon from a noisy engine (via walnut blasting, ....), with the result being elimination or great reduction in noise. Without proof, it's only speculation, just like all of the other unsupported noise theories.
I never mentioned intake valves....re-read the post...intake valves are your assumption. ( And BTW sequential injection does hit the intake valves. DI does not.)

As far as carbon tick. Its real. It collects on the top of the piston.

Here is a link to one of many items avail to read on the subject.
https://desertoasisautorepair.com/di...ppens-prevent/

Plus, you don't have to disassemble the engine to remove the carbon accumulation.
Follow the owner's manual.

You sure are quick to shoot someone down when you don't have all the facts or even read the post......
Your type never ceases to amaze me.
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