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The maker is Dongwoo Company (a subsidiary of MANN+Hummel)... OEM
Purolator filters have always been a good aftermarket choice, along with WIX filters. Purolator is now co-owned by MANN+Hummel which may make them the next best thing.

I never stated OEM was bad, simply put, hard to obtain, unless extra shipping, or a long drive...




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List price is 5.19 Part Number: FIL 1334
Product Line: NAPA Gold Filters
On their website.......

Checked receipt, I am way off, its right under 4 a piece.

Nothin fishy, napa gold box, napa gold stamped on filter, what more, I know the napa I am hitting is not stamping them themselves with something else. Maybe it also helps with friends discount that works their, friends shop I use his discount (good friend) and buying bulk? I guess this is a matter of where you are since your oem's are cheaper than mine, vise versa on the napa gold.

Hell if you knew someone at walmart with their discount you could probably pick up that 2.xx fram for under 1 dollar .

Ill take a pic of the new filter I install this weekend or next.

And if like mentioned somewhere in this post, Wix makes Kia OEM filters AND NAPA gold filters, can't be a big difference.
Much could be said about this post. But It is a waste of time I think. So bullet points

1) You got a "NAPA GOLD" (@$10 list) it seems (I believe you), you did not buy it. You were billed $3.99 ($5.19 list) for a FIL 1334 "NAPA STANDARD" wholesale/garage one. And paid that tier priceing. Been at this too long and seen/done it (inventory adjustment) too often at my side job as a PARTS STORE MANAGER on weekends to not know just what happend here. Legal or not, it happens. Facts of life lesson here.
2) $2.xx FRAM WALMART filter for under a $1. lol be my guest. Makes uber sense to all of us now to put on our cars.
3) "WIX MAKES OEM AND NAPA FILTERS, CAN'T BE A BIG DIFFERENCE". LOL ok then tell me what the difference in a WALMART FRAM F9866 X2 $2.99 and a F9866 X4 $6.56 and a F9866 X6 $10.16 are? and then tell me once you find out. What the difference in a NAPA FIL 1334 and a NAPA FIL NG1334/1334NG are?

Surprice/educate us for a change.

HINT: Remember I used the words "SCOTT TISSUE" and "KOTEX" and "MAYBE CLOSE TO OEM SPEC" in my last post on X2/X4/X6 now.

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You can not compare factory parts to aftermarket parts, they DO NOT have the same standards, period. Some higher price parts may be just as good as factory but for 99% of "other companies" out there, they are not made to the same standards as the factory parts, because they do not have to be. Its your use what you will, but it is what it is.

Reasons why factory parts are more expensive then 99% of everything else out there. Like wheels, you can buy 4 wheels and tires from yahoo down the street or super deal tire guy online for close to the price of 2 factory non fancy bling wheels without tires. You ever price factory parts compared to aftermarket parts... As most people know and yet frown upon, they are almost always more expensive, and for good reasons.

Its a reason why high end cars use higher end parts. BBS makes wheels for BMW. Real BBS wheels can be up to 1k a piece. Ebay clones are about $100 each. Follow.

Its not about country they are made in, its the standards and quality of goods they use to make the parts.

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The country they are made in DOES make a difference when the manufacturing standards for that country are much lower...Korea and China produce some of the most cheaply made original and knock-off stuff out there whether cars or stereos. The manufacturing standard for Japanese and US produced cars and filtering standard for most 'aftermarket' US/Jap/German filters is so much higher than those required in Korea and China that it is a joke for anyone to indicate that the factory standards for OEM KIA filters are high....It is entirely ludicrous to think that this thread is even being taken seriously by anyone with any engineering or mechanical experience.

There is obviously an issue with more free flowing filters allowing pressure drops in certain areas of the KIA engines and rather than actually put the time and effort in to engineer the engines so as to fix the problem, the band-aid is to put out a statement recommending the more restrictive OEM filter to keep pressure at a given level to prevent noises...again, quality standards or replace engineering and problem resolution with a restrictive filter to hide the issue??? Sounds like jack-leg standards to me...seen same type of "repairs" by shade tree mechanics for years....the other solution is to use a qualtiy filter and 50wt oil....shade tree fix for engine noises for decades.

I must agree that WIX and Purolator do make some pretty decent filters. That being said, when they rebrand to KIA OEM or whatever, they do not manufacture them to the same quality standard as the Puralator or WIX labelled brand, so just because company X makes filters for car company Y does not mean they are made to the same standard....and you can be assured that company X does not make a better quality filter for a subcontractor than it does for it's own namesake. Something to dwell on...

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Well said Hillbilly, just what I have been saying.
Do you actually think the Koreans making 5 cents an hr are making products to USA standards? You think they make things to our standards, really? Come on. The ones working in those factories, most likely hate their jobs, because they are making so little and work 15 hrs a day, then hate their life, half ass what they make because of it.

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There is obviously an issue with more free flowing filters allowing pressure drops in certain areas of the KIA engines and rather than actually put the time and effort in to engineer the engines so as to fix the problem, the band-aid is to put out a statement recommending the more restrictive OEM filter to keep pressure at a given level to prevent noises...
Right on, that is bullshit, I think this is the only time, I have ever heard a manufacturer say this. Had many cars in my time so far, not once had a service department ever have an issue with me using a aftermarket filter.
For most, they dont do their oil changes, so if they had to go to the dealer every time for their oil change (and pay the marked up 35-45 dollar oil change) just for that filter, thats crap.




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The country they are made in DOES make a difference when the manufacturing standards for that country are much lower...Korea and China produce some of the most cheaply made original and knock-off stuff out there whether cars or stereos. The manufacturing standard for Japanese and US produced cars and filtering standard for most 'aftermarket' US/Jap/German filters is so much higher than those required in Korea and China that it is a joke for anyone to indicate that the factory standards for OEM KIA filters are high....It is entirely ludicrous to think that this thread is even being taken seriously by anyone with any engineering or mechanical experience.
Do you have any references to support your suggestions that South Korea produce cheap knock-off stuff like China ? (LG, Samsung, ?)
Are you perhaps mistakenly thinking of North Korea?
Most of the Kia's on US roads were built in South Korea, and would have shipped with filters made in South Korea, and I would expect that they would need to have a high degree of confidence in the filters, seeing as it directly impacts on the warranty that they need to uphold. I expect that they would also need to meet US standards to sell vehicles in the US ?

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There is obviously an issue with more free flowing filters allowing pressure drops in certain areas of the KIA engines and rather than actually put the time and effort in to engineer the engines so as to fix the problem, the band-aid is to put out a statement recommending the more restrictive OEM filter to keep pressure at a given level to prevent noises...again, quality standards or replace engineering and problem resolution with a restrictive filter to hide the issue??? Sounds like jack-leg standards to me...seen same type of "repairs" by shade tree mechanics for years....the other solution is to use a qualtiy filter and 50wt oil....shade tree fix for engine noises for decades.
I'm not up to speed on the technical specification of the filters in question, but if Kia fit them in the service centers, then wouldn't they need that same level of confidence that their filter poses no risk to the life span of the engine and the warranty that they carry on the vehicle and the service work carried out?
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I must agree that WIX and Purolator do make some pretty decent filters. That being said, when they rebrand to KIA OEM or whatever, they do not manufacture them to the same quality standard as the Puralator or WIX labelled brand, so just because company X makes filters for car company Y does not mean they are made to the same standard....and you can be assured that company X does not make a better quality filter for a subcontractor than it does for it's own namesake. Something to dwell on...

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Wouldn't best business practice ensure that the filter manufacturer maintain the highest standards when filling their contact orders with large vehicle manufacturers not to jeopardize business with what's most likely their largest customer?



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A few interesting stats from South Korea:

Where’s the best place to surf the web? No surprise, it’s not North America! South Korea continues to lead with the fastest internet connection speeds


Internet in South Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
South Korea has emerged to become the world leader in Internet connectivity and speed.

Countries with the highest college graduation rates - South Korea, 55.5 percent - CSMonitor.com
Countries with the highest college graduation rates

In South Korea, demand remains high for college education; almost all high school graduates attend college.


USA Today.
USA could learn from South Korean schools


https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2004rank.html
Country Comparison :: GDP - per capita (PPP)

11 United States $ 47,200
45 Korea, South $ 30,000
125 China $ 7,600


Just a few interesting facts about our cars country of origin.

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There is obviously an issue with more free flowing filters allowing pressure drops in certain areas of the KIA engines and rather than actually put the time and effort in to engineer the engines so as to fix the problem, the band-aid is to put out a statement recommending the more restrictive OEM filter to keep pressure at a given level to prevent noises

Most engines I have seen have the oil filter immediately downstream of the pump. The only pressure increase with a "restrictive filter" your going to see is at the pump only. If anything a less restrictive yet efficient filter is going to allow more oil to get to the engine and keep it lubricated. The designed tolerances of the bearings and pump in the engine are what determine the oil pressure. I have installed a large remote filter on my 03 and have none of the noises I read about on this forum so higher flows must not be a problem. I do get the typical start up tick if the engine has been setting for a week or more but that is just the lifters leaking down. I have used all sorts of aftermarket filters, Fram, STP, Tech 2000, Motorcraft, Purolator, and Wix.

I never had the high pitch squeal or whistle. People can bad mouth some filters all they want. That doesn't change the fact that if you overdrive your oil and filter you will have problems. If a filter company doesn't have "meets or exceeds" on their filter don’t buy it. I have been driving and working on cars for 40 years. I have yet to have an engine fail because of a filter related problem. They have a warranty. Use it. The filter companies want to sell their products. They want consumers to repeat buy. What makes you think they want a product that will not perform as stated? Thats not good business to make a product that fails consistantly.
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Do you have any references to support your suggestions that South Korea produce cheap knock-off stuff like China ? (LG, Samsung, ?)
LG, let me see, I bought a LG blueray player in march, guess what, it doesn't read discs anymore.
Cheap. YES, hell I still have a magnavox vcr that still works from the 80's.
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Do you have any references to support your suggestions that South Korea produce cheap knock-off stuff like China ? (LG, Samsung, ?)
Are you perhaps mistakenly thinking of North Korea?
Most of the Kia's on US roads were built in South Korea, and would have shipped with filters made in South Korea, and I would expect that they would need to have a high degree of confidence in the filters, seeing as it directly impacts on the warranty that they need to uphold. I expect that they would also need to meet US standards to sell vehicles in the US ?


I'm not up to speed on the technical specification of the filters in question, but if Kia fit them in the service centers, then wouldn't they need that same level of confidence that their filter poses no risk to the life span of the engine and the warranty that they carry on the vehicle and the service work carried out?

Wouldn't best business practice ensure that the filter manufacturer maintain the highest standards when filling their contact orders with large vehicle manufacturers not to jeopardize business with what's most likely their largest customer?



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A few interesting stats from South Korea:

Whereís the best place to surf the web? No surprise, itís not North America! South Korea continues to lead with the fastest internet connection speeds


Internet in South Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
South Korea has emerged to become the world leader in Internet connectivity and speed.

Countries with the highest college graduation rates - South Korea, 55.5 percent - CSMonitor.com
Countries with the highest college graduation rates

In South Korea, demand remains high for college education; almost all high school graduates attend college.


USA Today.
USA could learn from South Korean schools


https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2004rank.html
Country Comparison :: GDP - per capita (PPP)

11 United States $ 47,200
45 Korea, South $ 30,000
125 China $ 7,600


Just a few interesting facts about our cars country of origin.
The facts are not the same, per popula, you cant compaire the numbers as we have millions and millions more ppl here, so of course, some numbers of the usa could be lower than Koreas, thats obvious.
If you put the same population numbers there, Korea, would not compaire.

311 million in the usa, and ONLY 48 million in korea, of course our numbers are higher from the above, BUT put that same number into their country, and there numbers above, would be much, much different.

Thats compaired, apples to potatos.




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Another fun fact,

I will compaire, fit and finish with my 08 sportage, and compaire it with my wifes 07 saturn aura, she just bought 2 days ago

The sportage feels, WAY, way, way, cheaper, than that of the Saturn (uSA made), the materials of the sportage look, feel, way cheaper, than that of the saturn, my 08 makes so many creaks, and noises, compaired with the 07 saturn, yet, saturn is def. not a high end car, yet, easily feels more superior in quality, ride, refinment.

There is no compaison, and both cars have almost exactly the same mileage, I notice a HUGE difference in QUality.

US has been making cars for decades and decades, have had decades with less than good quality, but as it stands in the 00's, Kia is def. behind any us car maker as in quality.
Yes they have made things better since there start, but total quality is still way behind.

I thought the sportage had been a great quality car, until I drove that saturn, it blows away everything I thought about the quality of the sportage.
To me, it now feels like an econo box.




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