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FAQ: Will (insert modification here) void my factory warranty?

Important note to make that ALL car owners should know:

No mods actually VOID your warranty.

This means that nothing you can do actually voids your warranty on the spot. Now, that being said, modifications can make your warranty voidable.

This is a VERY important distinction that car owners need make because as people keep tossing around the phrase 'voids your warranty' it becomes common knowledge (no matter how inaccurate) that certain things can actually void your warranty. As car owners we all have rights and are not subject to the powers of the evil overlord car companies that are all powerful over us insignificant car owners. It is actually up to the manufacturer to PROVE that the failure you experienced is a direct result of the modification you made. The onus falls squarely on the manufacturer to prove your modifications clearly caused the failure in question in order to void your warranty. This is what the word to use is voidable and not void. Huge distinction in the legal world and as singular citizens we need to make sure we understand our rights that protect us from legal abuse by entities with MUCH deeper pockets than us. Fortunately we still live in a country where laws tend to lean towards right and wrong and not so much towards the entity with the most financial backing (barely).

Disclaimer: This post is a general statement and not meant as legal advise. Neither the person posting this nor the website hosting the forum is responsible for the reader's actions as a result of anything stated above. As always, it's up to the reader to do their own research and, if necessary, seek legal advise where applicable.


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Its deceptive to say mods will not void the warranty. Yes they will indeed. If you modify your wiring in any way, THAT, portion of warranty is GONE. Not everything else, just that specific portion of car. Likewise, if you modify your suspension for say, it will void that portion. OBVIOUSLY, they could not void the "powertrain" part of warranty because in no way would modifying the suspension would make a motor/trans part fail.

You could dispute it ALL, but do you know what you would have to do to actually fight it? Talk with Kia, they are gonna back their dealers unless they are way out of line. If you dispute that, your gonna have to get a lawyer, go to court, ect. NOT WORTH THE COST, in any way.
And if you lose at that point, have fun paying all that court costs back.




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Its deceptive to say mods will not void the warranty. Yes they will indeed. If you modify your wiring in any way, THAT, portion of warranty is GONE. Not everything else, just that specific portion of car. Likewise, if you modify your suspension for say, it will void that portion. OBVIOUSLY, they could not void the "powertrain" part of warranty because in no way would modifying the suspension would make a motor/trans part fail.

You could dispute it ALL, but do you know what you would have to do to actually fight it? Talk with Kia, they are gonna back their dealers unless they are way out of line. If you dispute that, your gonna have to get a lawyer, go to court, ect. NOT WORTH THE COST, in any way.
And if you lose at that point, have fun paying all that court costs back.
I think you misunderstood most of what I said based on your statements. To say that modifying your suspension could in no way make your engine or transmission fail isn't entirely true either. Lowering your car can change the input angle of drive shafts (wheels move up/down within wheel wells from where they were engineered to be while the transmission remains at a static location regardless of ride height) which could indeed cause additional stress. The effects of which may not be immediately noticeable but it could indeed cause premature failure of related components. I digress.

The point is that just because you modify something doesn't mean you void the warranty. It could very well be voided by a representative of Kia USA given proper supporting proof but that doesn't mean that a warranty is voided automatically by you modification. Voided and voidable are two ENTIRELY different terms and that is one of the more important distinctions contained within the above post. If you don't grasp the differences and how they apply to the contact entered into between the consumer and the manufacturer then the balance of the post will be lost on you. Consumers are too quick to say a specified contract is voided when it's actually voidable. Big difference. These are the points I'm trying to make as consumers are too quick to essentially admit (falsely) to forfeiting their warranty with modifications or maintenance the perform themselves. This isn't the case and the onus actually lies with the manufacturer to PROVE that it was indeed your modification(s) that were clearly and solely to blame for the failure in question as it pertains to the warranty.

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If its "voidable" when you go in, its going to be voided.
The stance of say a lowered vehicle will not kill a transmission PERIOD. Hence what my comment was..

Go your own route but I have been with Kia since 1999 and have modded a few of the 5 kia's I have owned. Im looking out for the members here...

KIA is VERY picky (like a lot of car comapnies) when it comes to modifications. If you look at alll your paperwork when you buy a car and the warranty associated with it (actual warranty paperwork) that you dont get unless you ASK for it, states CLEARLY, that no modifications of the car are to be made. If modifications are made to vehicle, the warranty could be voided. A car manufacturer doesnt have to replace your engine if you use a "subpar" filter and debris gets into the motor. Why should they have to pay for your modification that caused the failure??
That is what I am trying to say, if the "SAID" modification caused or indirectly caused the failure of a part, then it is not going to be covered under warranty, they are going to note it in their computer and all other warranty claims are going to be denyed on that part of the car.
Im not saying the "WHOLE" warranty will be voided, just anything that couold fail due to the mod.
They shouldnt have to, and dont have to.
You can throw your links up, BUT IT IS NOT THE WARRANTY THAT IS STATED WHEN YOU BUY THE CAR, NOR IS IT THE ONE YOU SIGNED AT CAR SIGNING.

DO you actually think the car maker is making you sign that you agree to this unlawfully? Really? You think they do this to every consumer, and it being illegal? No way.




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If its "voidable" when you go in, its going to be voided.
The stance of say a lowered vehicle will not kill a transmission PERIOD. Hence what my comment was..

Go your own route but I have been with Kia since 1999 and have modded a few of the 5 kia's I have owned. Im looking out for the members here...

KIA is VERY picky (like a lot of car comapnies) when it comes to modifications. If you look at alll your paperwork when you buy a car and the warranty associated with it (actual warranty paperwork) that you dont get unless you ASK for it, states CLEARLY, that no modifications of the car are to be made.
If modifications are made to vehicle, the warranty could be voided. A car manufacturer doesnt have to replace your engine if you use a "subpar" filter and debris gets into the motor. Why should they have to pay for your modification that caused the failure??
That is what I am trying to say, if the "SAID" modification caused or indirectly caused the failure of a part, then it is not going to be covered under warranty, they are going to note it in their computer and all other warranty claims are going to be denyed on that part of the car.
Im not saying the "WHOLE" warranty will be voided, just anything that couold fail due to the mod.
They shouldnt have to, and dont have to.
You can throw your links up, BUT IT IS NOT THE WARRANTY THAT IS STATED WHEN YOU BUY THE CAR, NOR IS IT THE ONE YOU SIGNED AT CAR SIGNING.

DO you actually think the car maker is making you sign that you agree to this unlawfully? Really? You think they do this to every consumer, and it being illegal? No way.
So we're in agreement. Super.

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Thats not the exact wording, but within the lines.
Could be is broad at best.
OK so I will now add text from th owners manual of what is NOT COVERED.

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As the Kia vehicle owner, you should also be aware that
Kia may deny you warranty coverage if your Kia vehicle
or a part has failed due to abuse, neglect, improper
maintenance or unapproved modifications.
It is stated in EVERY section of evey part of the manual.

In other words VOID.

Find me a dealer that "may NOT" deny the warranty claim for UNAPPROVED midifications.

Its just like if you fail to ever change your oil, and the motor goes due to it, then they will deny warranty claim. If they are denying your claim, they are basiaclly, for lack of other words, VOIDING it. Sure if they go ahead and replace it with a Kia motor at a Kia motors service center, you will get a warranty on the new motor, but go ahead and do the same thing, to get voided/denyed the claim once again.

You can call it deny or void, its the same thing.




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No mods actually VOID your warranty.
I LOVE THIS, NO they won't, they will just DENY your claim. Take it how you see fit, but its the same thing.




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Thats not the exact wording, but within the lines.
Could be is broad at best.
OK so I will now add text from th owners manual of what is NOT COVERED.

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As the Kia vehicle owner, you should also be aware that
Kia may deny you warranty coverage if your Kia vehicle
or a part has failed due to abuse, neglect, improper
maintenance or unapproved modifications.
It is stated in EVERY section of evey part of the manual.

In other words VOID.

Find me a dealer that "may NOT" deny the warranty claim for UNAPPROVED midifications.
You clearly did not study law and you clearly want to argue so here we go. You're WRONG. Period. I made the important part of what you pasted in bold so you can see that you keep saying the exact same thing but then you contradict yourself. I don't know how to further explain it so let me try one more time:

Because a contract is voidable it does NOT mean it's void. Yes, it can be voided if it's voidable but a voidable offense does NOT automatically make it VOID. It's up to the grantor of said warranty to void it and they can either chose to void it or not but if they do the onus is on them to PROVE why they're not granting warranty work specifically.

Can you comprehend that? You seem persistent on arguing with me when you can't comprehend this VERY simple statement.

Also, when you go around telling people what they know and don't know you should also know that the dealer has ZERO bearing on whether a catastrophic failure is covered under warranty or not. They do the work they are approved to do and nothing more. It's not their call to cover it or not cover it's it's KIA USA who the warranty is with... not the local dealership. This EXACT thread has been posted on a number of times on a number of different automotive forums of various types of vehicles. It's been very helpful to people who ask 'Hey, if I get an air filter will it void my warranty?' and similar questions. These questions get quite annoying and repetitive. I've been modifying my cars myself for decades and have worked on more vehicles than I care to count. I'm not some n00b who doesn't know what he's talking about so you should really go focus yoru time on someone who is in need because you're digging your hole deeper and deeper with every post. I keep trying to politely inform you but you clearly know everything and therefore don't need to learn anything more so I don't know what else to tell you here. I kind of get the feeling that because you're a mod and I'm new here you feel the need to teach me a lesson for some unknown reason but I'm not going to sit back and let you correct me with misinformation on a public forum. I haven't received any negative backlash from this exact same post anywhere else so I'm just curious why you're so insistent on proving me wrong when you yourself have used verbiage agreeing with me in all your posts. You just don't seem to understand the basic differences.

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Did I claim to read law? No LOL.
There is a difference between "arguing" and a debate, you need to see the difference.

I claim what I am reading and being modded many Kia cars, then try to get coverage, I know what has happened in the past, read hundreds of threads here and at SK, where members with mods, KIA will not honor the warranty.
The part your not reading,
THE PART THE DIRECTLY AFFECTED SAID FAILURE WILL MAKE A DENIAL with a claim ON THAT PART OR WHAT WAS AFFECTED OR "COULD BE" by said mod.

Go ahead and mod your car all you want, you will see in the end when they "deny" your coverage.
Ive done some mods to my sporty, and I know and "EXPECT" some of my warranty denied.
How long have you been with Kia?
Me 11 years.
How many mods have you made on Kias?
Me, did everything from lightened pullys, to headers, to reflashed ecu's, headers, exhausts, bbtb, ect. Ive been there and done that, been there arguing over it, ect. Talked with Kia Motors usa, they are gonna back what their dealers say. Within the law. Their wording in the manual, warns you clearly of modifying your car. The may is just put there for legal issues. They cant say, void the full warranty. Its a case by case thing.
How many warranty claims have you tried to get after mods with Kia?
Me. At least 20 lol. They are gonna deny you.

Go ahead bring them to court over a simple deny. Thats way to much time and effort for any average person to go through for a denyed claim. Hope you got months of extra time and hundreds if not thousands to fight it in court.




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You guys are arguing semantics. If your part, or the install of the part, causes your complaint/failure, it's not covered. It's really as simple as that.
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