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I have always used KIA oil filters on my Spectra. I use them to avoid any warranty issues should my engine self destruct while still under warranty. Better safe than sorry is my motto. You can buy KIA filters off of ebay pretty cheap too.

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I have seen instances in the past where the fram guide suggested an incorrect filter. However, I am not afraid at all to admit to using fram many times in the past, and never had a problem at all.

What I do have a problem with is hyundai and kia issuing TSB bulletins about aftermarket filters, and trying to deny warranty coverage on people due to not using OEM filters. In order to deny coverage, legally they have to prove without a doubt the filter in question physically CAUSED the problem. not just say it did. Granted, there are likely some shoddy filters out there, but it is most certainly not an across the board all brands situation.

If you look around the net, there are endless threads arguing this whole scenario, and the bottom line is reputable brands extensively test their filters before they go on sale, and they do meet manufacturer specifications. Let's be honest here, if you are using quality oil and changing it on the proper schedule, that filter really isn't catching that much to begin with.
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not sure why people don't just use the KIA filters. they are not expensive and you avoid any hassles with KIA should you have any engine problems related to oiling issues.

KIA do seem a little anal about the oil filters for sure. It would be different if they wanted 50 bucks a filter, but they don't. They are no more expensive than any of the aftermarket filters available so why not just use their filters?. Like you say, if you change the oil regularly there won't be much crud to collect in the filter anyway.

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.... What I do have a problem with is hyundai and kia issuing TSB bulletins about aftermarket filters, and trying to deny warranty coverage on people due to not using OEM filters. ...
..... if you are using quality oil and changing it on the proper schedule, that filter really isn't catching that much to begin with.
I have no problem with KIA issuing the TSB on aftermarket filters, PROVIDED IT'S TRUE. So, do I have any way of knowing if what they say is factual and proven? Definitely not. But the bottom line is that it MIGHT BE, which is good enough for me. Perhaps KIA determined that certain aftermarket filters don't have the correct flow rate. They don't really tell us anything specific, and what I wrote is pure speculation about how they came up with that TSB. And your guess would be as good as mine.

I do agree completely about denying warranty coverage just because a non-OEM filter is on the vehicle. In my travels around the forums, I've read very few reliably sounding reports (with follow-ups), of either KIA or Hyundai actually doing this. So, IMHO they did not issue this TSB in order to facilitate warranty coverage denial.

Before you grab your pen to reply, be advised that I am typically not a defender of KIA, Hyundai, or any of their stealerships. Far from it, I'm usually on the other side of the fence. But I do believe in trying to call them as I see them; and I can't find a reason to criticize them for the filter TSB, unless it's someday uncovered to be nothing but a ploy on their part.

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not sure why people don't just use the KIA filters. they are not expensive and you avoid any hassles with KIA should you have any engine problems related to oiling issues.
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^^^ this is exactly the approach I've taken for the 103K miles on our Forte. And now that it's out of warranty, I've decided to continue using KIA filters. They've worked so far, so why roll the dice at this point.

Here's one other thing to give some perspective to what I wrote above. I also have used Fram filters for many years on other family vehicles, and still use them on some of our older ones. Never have had an engine issue using them, and will have no problem continuing to use them. Except on the KIA. Just in case.
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Lawyers and legal departments prevent directly naming the problem filters outright, and I understand that, but the least they could do , to protect owners from potential damage is reach out directly to those selling the inferior product and notify them of why there is an issue with their product. Instead of just telling consumers buy our product only, which by the way is illegal in all 50 states.
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The other tidbit in all of this is the massive theta II engine recalls over the past few years too. That TSB about non kia brand oil filters came out prior to the recalls, when Hyundai was insisting the problems were all related to people not properly maintaining their cars. Which leads me to believe the TSB was cooked up to support their pattern of knowing the underlying cause of the problems was assembly and manufacturing defects, but unwilling to fully stand behind their mistakes. Hyundai / Kia are not the first, nor will they be the last carmaker to screw things up and blame the customer, simply because dealer service departments make far more money off private customers than they do warranty repairs, on a per hour / repair basis.
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.... Instead of just telling consumers buy our product only, which by the way is illegal in all 50 states ....
I'm not aware of KIA or Hyundai communicating any information about oil filters directly to vehicle owners. TSBs are internal corporate documents to the stealerships from the mother ship, and are not intended to reach the public. Yes, they do find their way to us online, like just about everything else does.

And basically all this TSB says is for the tech to swap in a KIA filter, if there is any issue that might be related to oil. So the stealerships are not being instructed by the TSB, to automatically replace any non-OEM filter that come into their shop. Yes, it would have been great for us to have received this filter information directly from KIA, but how many auto makers communicate stuff like this to vehicle owners?

Again, my focus in defending KIA (and Hyundai) is only with this particular TSB. There is plenty of other stuff to hammer them on, such as what the 'mystery' engine issue is on potentially 2M+ vehicles.

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Kia, and any other manufacturer is under no obligation to lab test every third party filter on the market and compile a list of those that don't meet their specifications, whether that be particulate size, filter area, pressure drop, relief valve and anti-runback valve etc.

Obviously they have come across a few that have caused engine damage, and the right thing for them to do is issue a TSB alerting all to the fact that the risk is out there, and its your decision if or how you want to mitigate that risk, like stick with OEM filters to avoid any doubt.

Kia cannot deny warranty just based on the make of filter found installed at the time engine damaged is noticed, they are still under obligation to confirm what specification the oil or filter does not meet.

OEM filters are priced very well, so makes good sense to stick with them and avoid potential issues down the road.

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