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For those of you who are keeping their vehicles and hoping for the best, I very much recommend you consider doing used oil analysis at periodic intervals as the miles get higher on your engine. The benefit to this will be awareness on your part of any increases in wear metals well in advance of it becoming a critical problem.

With proper lab testing of your used oil, you will know when the wear metals increase and have time to make a decision to keep and hope for warranty engine replacement , or be able to get out from under the vehicle through trade in.

Now, some of you will be thinking hey that's not exactly ethical, but I can assure you, trading such a vehicle into the dealership to get another new vehicle is just fine. There is warranty coverage in place, however you are taking a preemptive step to make sure they don't have the opportunity to deny coverage based on some arbitrary circumstance. A dealership buying a trade in vehicle is taking a calculated risk and they factor that into their offer.

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For those of you who are keeping their vehicles and hoping for the best, I very much recommend you consider doing used oil analysis at periodic intervals as the miles get higher on your engine. The benefit to this will be awareness on your part of any increases in wear metals well in advance of it becoming a critical problem.

With proper lab testing of your used oil, you will know when the wear metals increase and have time to make a decision to keep and hope for warranty engine replacement , or be able to get out from under the vehicle through trade in.

Now, some of you will be thinking hey that's not exactly ethical, but I can assure you, trading such a vehicle into the dealership to get another new vehicle is just fine. There is warranty coverage in place, however you are taking a preemptive step to make sure they don't have the opportunity to deny coverage based on some arbitrary circumstance. A dealership buying a trade in vehicle is taking a calculated risk and they factor that into their offer.
How do you get/do this oil testing (for those not mechanically inclined and take their car to the dealer for simple oil changes)? Approx Cost?

Got the letter last week and will be taking in for an oil change and this "update" in the next few weeks. (Waiting for tires from TireRack) My service advisor said they have not had anyone go into limp mode after the update but has heard it happening. He said it is caused by techs not allowing enough time for the update to complete.
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How do you get/do this oil testing (for those not mechanically inclined and take their car to the dealer for simple oil changes)? Approx Cost?

Got the letter last week and will be taking in for an oil change and this "update" in the next few weeks. (Waiting for tires from TireRack) My service advisor said they have not had anyone go into limp mode after the update but has heard it happening. He said it is caused by techs not allowing enough time for the update to complete.
There are several different mail in labs that will perform oil testing. I tend to use blackstone-labs ,and they will ship you a sampling kit that comes with instructions. Your dealer can draw the sample during the oil change following the directions in the kit. My dealer doesn't have a problem taking care of this for me so far. I then mail the kit into them for testing.
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The main benefit to such testing is that you will become aware of the metal wear before it shows any outward symptoms and take action prior to the failure.
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The main benefit to such testing is that you will become aware of the metal wear before it shows any outward symptoms and take action prior to the failure.
With today's manufacturing techniques and tight tolerances, finding metal contamination in your oil is relatively rare. In addition, with this ECU update, you will know if there is an oil flow issue before any major contamination can take place. I usually only do an oil analysis on a car's first oil change to make sure there is no residual contamination from manufacture and to check whether the specs for oil changes leave oil that is still above thresholds in lubrication and additives. I did this on the first oil change and found that I still had about 20% capacity in additives at the end of 7500 miles. I'm taking the extra precaution of using full synthetic because of potential engine problems, so I'm probably covered even if I go 10-12,000 miles between changes. To keep the warranty intact, I'll still get changes every 7500 miles on my EX.

In the old days, after about 40,000 miles, I would get an oil analysis every 15-20,000 miles. It only showed contaminants in one of about 50 cars I've owned so I've come to the conclusion that it is just not necessary. There are people here who do oil changes less than recommended by the manufacturer like every 3,000 or 5,000 miles. Now that is just totally unnecessary with today's cars....
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Rvoll your comments make perfect sense, however I was suggesting testing it every 20k or so just to make sure the wear metals are not rising. Usually testing in that way you can catch it before it becomes a major imminent issue. You really need a series off them over many miles to establish a base line for your specific engine to be able to tell when they are increasing.
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Rvoll your comments make perfect sense, however I was suggesting testing it every 20k or so just to make sure the wear metals are not rising. Usually testing in that way you can catch it before it becomes a major imminent issue. You really need a series off them over many miles to establish a base line for your specific engine to be able to tell when they are increasing.
On older cars, we would be in agreement as manufacturing tolerances and materials were far below what they are today. But with today's cars, I can find no reason to be as concerned. It's like changing the oil every 3,000 miles like we did a few decades ago. Today, it just no longer makes sense. On the other hand, if it makes you feel better, it's cheaper than a session with your psychotherapist.....
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although i have not had any issues with my 2017 . this does leave a sour taste in my mouth and i've begun looking for a new vehicle. not to say i am definitely selling but want to see what my options are. so far nothing jumps out at me:

honda cr-v
honda hr-v
ford escape
mazda cx-5

nothing hits the mark
I have to agree, nothing really jumps out at me unless I want to spend a lot more money. I looked at the VW Alltrack and Tiguan before settling on the Kia. The biggest drawback to me on the VW's was maintenance costs. My wife said if the problem only affects the 2016-2018 Sportage trade in the 17 for a 19.

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I have to agree, nothing really jumps out at me unless I want to spend a lot more money. I looked at the VW Alltrack and Tiguan before settling on the Kia. The biggest drawback to me on the VW's was maintenance costs. My wife said if the problem only affects the 2016-2018 Sportage trade in the 17 for a 19.
Or it may be that the 2019 models already have this "upgrade."
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Or it may be that the 2019 models already have this "upgrade."
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