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Key & Cylinder Set-Lock?

So I think someone might have tried to break into my 2017 Sorento. We came out and notice the door lock cylinder flap was open. Nothing seemed to be moved or missing from inside the vehicle. We never use the physical key to open the door but noticed that the key does not work. So I took the cylinder out to look at it and it is broken and the pins seem bent and binding in the cylinder. I want to replace it but don't want a different key for the door. Does anyone know how to tell which part I need. There seems to be at least 3 different sets:
81905-C6050
81905-C6040
81905-C6020

I have a folding key so I think C6020 is out as it stated smart key which is of course the cheapest option but hoping maybe I am wrong. The only difference in the description of the other 2 is " IGNITION ILLUMINATED - BULB TYPE". So do I just look to see if the ignition in my vehicle lights up. The price is the same between the 2.

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So I think someone might have tried to break into my 2017 Sorento. We came out and notice the door lock cylinder flap was open. Nothing seemed to be moved or missing from inside the vehicle. We never use the physical key to open the door but noticed that the key does not work. So I took the cylinder out to look at it and it is broken and the pins seem bent and binding in the cylinder. I want to replace it but don't want a different key for the door. Does anyone know how to tell which part I need. There seems to be at least 3 different sets:
81905-C6050
81905-C6040
81905-C6020

I have a folding key so I think C6020 is out as it stated smart key which is of course the cheapest option but hoping maybe I am wrong. The only difference in the description of the other 2 is " IGNITION ILLUMINATED - BULB TYPE". So do I just look to see if the ignition in my vehicle lights up. The price is the same between the 2.

Any help would be appreciated.

>>Same question, how can I tell which part, the retailers say ask the dealer, the dealer says they won't know till the get in there... This should be simple?
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Well still have not got around to this but my wife got locked out of the car because the battery in the FOB died. So here I am again. I am pretty sure I have a non-illuminated but just for curiosity sake I pulled the steering column apart. There seems to be a connector that has 4 wires going in one side but only 2 wires coming out the other side. So I am thinking that the wiring is in place for the illuminated ring, aka making them interchangeable. My thought is after payday ordering an illuminated set. Hopefully it will work out. Then I can get pictures of both up and maybe a little how to or something. I am hoping the security bolts that hold the ignition come in the set like the Honda kit I have seem. Those will be the hardest to remove. Seen tips about using a chisel and hammer to move them around but I might also have a socket type easy out for rounded off bolts/nuts that might be small enough. Will try and keep everyone updated.
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Even if you buy the correct part, since the pins in the previous unit were bent and now unusable, you're going to need to obtain a duplicate set of un-bent pins of the correct length for your physical key since you don't want to use multiple keys. Most likely, you need to have a chat with your local locksmith about these.

As regards your part numbers:
81905-C6050 is an ignition lock cylinder.
81905-C6040 is also an ignition lock cylinder.
81905-C6020 is also an ignition lock cylinder.

May be some confusion here. We are talking about a door, correct? You may prefer to search for 81970-C5A00
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Even if you buy the correct part, since the pins in the previous unit were bent and now unusable, you're going to need to obtain a duplicate set of un-bent pins of the correct length for your physical key since you don't want to use multiple keys. Most likely, you need to have a chat with your local locksmith about these.

As regards your part numbers:
81905-C6050 is an ignition lock cylinder.
81905-C6040 is also an ignition lock cylinder.
81905-C6020 is also an ignition lock cylinder.

May be some confusion here. We are talking about a door, correct? You may prefer to search for 81970-C5A00
Thank you for the response. You are correct I am not wanting to have 2 keys and it might be cheaper to buy just the door cylinder and have it repinned. But I enjoy doing things myself, learning new things, and sharing what I know and find out. You may very well be correct about the part numbers but from the parts diagrams it looks like 81970 is the door cylinder, 81900 is the ignition, 81521 is the glove box, and 81905 includes all the locks and new keys. At least I hope so because I already ordered. Not sure that the 8191931000 BOLT-SAFETY LOCK is included but hoping so. I guess I will just have to wait and see. Also worried if I will have to get the dealer to do something to get the new keys to work. Read that the metal portion of the key might not have chips and I might just have to program the FOBs but resource was a little sketchy.
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I'm afraid all you're going to get is the ignition cylinder. I'm guessing you are paying something on the order of $65 for the 81905-C6020? That's the cheaper one for 'smart key' installations. You won't get a whole car full of lock cylinders for that price.

As you already have numerous other locks set up with the original keys, one would have thought that a new door lock would have been by far the least expensive and quickest solution.. re-pinning and replacing just one instead of several.
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So here is my update. I ordered part 81905-C6040 from Tasca for ~$300. They emailed me today to say that part 81905-C6050 is showing as the compatible replacement for my vehicle. I requested more information about what is included in the "set" and will get back to everyone.

I could probably have order part 81970C5A00 KEY SUB SET-DOOR,LH for ~$60 and dealt with having 2 keys or taken it to have repinned somewhere for a price maybe $100-$200, per a quick internet search. So I feel I break even if part 81905-C6040 KEY & CYLINDER SET-L is actually a full set because it accomplishes the goal of fixing the door cylinder and I get the experience. Plus if the lit ignition is a direct swap that is a bonus for me and anyone else that reads this. Please stay tuned.
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Keep us posted, but my parts manual shows that as a single cylinder assembly for inside the vehicle.
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Tasca was no help they canceled my order because they could not verify fitment or answer questions about what was contained in the part.

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Keep us posted, but my parts manual shows that as a single cylinder assembly for inside the vehicle.
Not trying to start an argument because I genuinely want to know so I get the right part but what do you have for the difference between 81905C6050 and 81900C6B00? In the pictures 81900C6B00 looks like the ignition cylinder and keys. So how would one go about re-keying an entire vehicle? There seems to be 3 different key subsets and 1 set, that I am hoping would contain a complete lock set for the vehicle.
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Guess it's good you've caused me to look at the illustrations. The KIA part nomenclature in the index for all of the 81905 parts winds up being "Ignition Lock Cylinder". All of them include that, but are not necessarily limited to that part. NOT helpful.

I show the 81900C6B00 as just the steering wheel lock + cylinder + keys assembly for vehicles that have a folding key. Price ~$235
I show 81905C6050 as a full set for folding key vehicles. Price ~$325

You definitely don't want to go to the expense of re-keying an entire vehicle if you can avoid it. Locksmithing time doesn't come cheap these days. As noted, any individual lock (your problem door in particular) can be re-keyed, saving the cost of doing all of the rest of them. You could probably remove/install all of the locks yourself, but if you're reworking an existing cylinder, I would recommend a locksmith when it comes to setting up locks to match your existing keys.
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