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That's the best advice...try to figure out where the leak is coming from.

Don't be pressured by the dealer. Find out the hourly rate the dealer charges. If they told you $1,300 and the hourly rate is $100/hr, then that's 13 hours! Ask them what they do for 13 hours. They probably used a standard book to estimate the hours. Have them break down the cost.

If you didn't notice the oil leak and there are no oil marks under your car, then no problem.

Put some cardboard under your car in the garage to keep an eye on it.

Keep an eye on the oil level. As long as the oil level is fine, then the car will be fine. It doesn't have to be at the Full level to be fine, only the minimum level. If you're worried, check the oil level each time you fill up or more often.

Maybe, you don't have it fixed for a few months, maybe a year...maybe never.

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If you're willing and able to invest the time, this is something you would have full control over. If everything is clean, the source(s) of the oil leak should be visible, regardless of what and where the leaks are. The vehicle needs to be up on ramps, in order to be able to inspect every surface. It can be a time consuming process because it's typically going to require multiple tries in order to be certain that all leaks have been found. The good news is (assuming slow leakage), there's no big rush and you can wait until it's convenient for you to do the work.
You are correct and good point. It has been crippling cold here for the past couple weeks and isn't letting up, I am waiting till next week when it is supposed to warm up considerably and going to buy some ramps to lift the vehicle up and drop the under body plate and take a look myself.

Thank you for making me feel better about it, I have not seen any oil on the floor in the garage at all and I owned it for 10 days and checked the oil level the night before the oil change it was at full and maybe even just a little bit over the full line even. I highly doubt it is big leakage because there is no sign of oil on the floor in my garage at all.

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That's the best advice...try to figure out where the leak is coming from.

Don't be pressured by the dealer. Find out the hourly rate the dealer charges. If they told you $1,300 and the hourly rate is $100/hr, then that's 13 hours! Ask them what they do for 13 hours. They probably used a standard book to estimate the hours. Have them break down the cost.

If you didn't notice the oil leak and there are no oil marks under your car, then no problem.

Put some cardboard under your car in the garage to keep an eye on it.

Keep an eye on the oil level. As long as the oil level is fine, then the car will be fine. It doesn't have to be at the Full level to be fine, only the minimum level. If you're worried, check the oil level each time you fill up or more often.

Maybe, you don't have it fixed for a few months, maybe a year...maybe never.
Thank you, I never considered there to be an acceptable leak and was always under the impression that any leak is dangerous and can cause disastrous affects. But you make an excellent point, if it is a tiny small seep vs a large leak, it might not even need fixing.

I was told it was a 7 hour repair and that both the oil pan and timing cover were leaking, despite a normal oil level and no leaks on my garage floor. Does it strike you as a coincidence that they found this leak as soon as they did a recall for free rust undercoating (a typical $400-$600 upcharge)?

I put a old light colored plastic rug type thing under where I park it in the garage, I'll see tomorrow morning if I notice anything and then just keep on monitoring it and monitoring the dip stick as well. My initial biggest concern was that it was just going to fall apart in one big catastrophic leak killing the engine. But it has come to my attention from reading around online and you guys that it's possible to have leaks/seeps for months and years and thousands of kms and not have any issues at all.

I'll keep checking though and if anything I'll get another opinion at an indy if I notice any oil on the floor or an appreciable drop in oil level on the dipstick. In the meantime I'll keep some money on the side in case I need to fix anything.
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If this just happened and you recently purchased it, could you go back to the seller to have them address it or pay for it?

This is easier if you purchased from a company (i.e. used or new car dealer) and it wasn't a private sale.

Also, for when/if you decide to get it fixed, you should shop around for prices or ask friends where they go...maybe have them come along. That might help get a better price or a discount of some kind.

If the oil level drops, you can add oil to get it back to the full mark. Add a little at a time. Too much oil isn't good. It's ok if it's a little over but best to add a little at a time until you get to know how much oil is required to go from the min mark to the max mark.
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If this just happened and you recently purchased it, could you go back to the seller to have them address it or pay for it?

This is easier if you purchased from a company (i.e. used or new car dealer) and it wasn't a private sale.

Also, for when/if you decide to get it fixed, you should shop around for prices or ask friends where they go...maybe have them come along. That might help get a better price or a discount of some kind.

If the oil level drops, you can add oil to get it back to the full mark. Add a little at a time. Too much oil isn't good. It's ok if it's a little over but best to add a little at a time until you get to know how much oil is required to go from the min mark to the max mark.
It was private so sadly there is no way to get back to them because it was a private sale and by Canadian law sold as is. I'll admit though that I got it for about 5-7k below market value because it was being sold by an old couple in their 80's who could no longer drive it. So even if I have to pay the $1300, I still come out WAY on top.

I'm definitely going to shop around though if/when I need to do it. I had it parked in the driveway on fresh snow all day today and there was not a single drop of oil and the oil was still perfectly where it was yesterday. I parked it with a light grey plastic mat on the ground under it and I'll check tomorrow morning and thereafter if anything is dripping and keep an eye on the oil level. Thus far I have a feeling the dealer is claiming the sky is falling on me and trying to recoup some of that recall money.

Genuinely I have to thank you very much for all your help, you took my stress levels from 10 to 2!.
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. I parked it with a light grey plastic mat on the ground under it and I'll check tomorrow morning and thereafter if anything is dripping and keep an eye on the oil level. .
One thing to keep in mind when you're monitoring leakage on the ground is that most vehicles now have plastic splash guards installed on the underside.

On my Forte, a portion of one of those splash guards, which is installed around the oil pan, is an 'oil catcher'. Meaning that part of it is located in between the oil pan lip and the ground, and would collect oil dripping from that section of the pan. Once there is enough of a build up, oil will then drip off the splash guard onto the ground, but not before quite a bit has collected in the guard. And the guard is also somewhat recessed, which allows a bit to pool beyond just a surface coating.

But every vehicle is different, and I'm not familiar with your's and don't know how the guards are configured on it. However, I'd expect there to be one or more oil catcher guards in any case. Now, although I highly doubt that stealership did so, they MIGHT have cleaned the oil from the splash guard(s). If they did that, it might allow oil to pool on the guards for a period of time, giving you a false reading on the rate of leakage.

Although I don't believe this is a big concern for you, it is something for you to be aware of in case you aren't able to get a good look underneath the vehicle in the near future. And if you're checking the oil level regularly, you'll be fine in any case.


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. Thus far I have a feeling the dealer is claiming the sky is falling on me and trying to recoup some of that recall money. ...
Well, stuff like that happens all the time, and it would come as no surprise to those of us who call them stealerships. In the interest of fairness though, it would be helpful if you post back on this thread, once the complete extent of the leakage is known.

Then, if it turns out they were being completely honest in their diagnosis, we can post a formal apology to them
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One thing to keep in mind when you're monitoring leakage on the ground is that most vehicles now have plastic splash guards installed on the underside.

On my Forte, a portion of one of those splash guards, which is installed around the oil pan, is an 'oil catcher'. Meaning that part of it is located in between the oil pan lip and the ground, and would collect oil dripping from that section of the pan. Once there is enough of a build up, oil will then drip off the splash guard onto the ground, but not before quite a bit has collected in the guard. And the guard is also somewhat recessed, which allows a bit to pool beyond just a surface coating.

But every vehicle is different, and I'm not familiar with your's and don't know how the guards are configured on it. However, I'd expect there to be one or more oil catcher guards in any case. Now, although I highly doubt that stealership did so, they MIGHT have cleaned the oil from the splash guard(s). If they did that, it might allow oil to pool on the guards for a period of time, giving you a false reading on the rate of leakage.

Although I don't believe this is a big concern for you, it is something for you to be aware of in case you aren't able to get a good look underneath the vehicle in the near future. And if you're checking the oil level regularly, you'll be fine in any case.



Well, stuff like that happens all the time, and it would come as no surprise to those of us who call them stealerships. In the interest of fairness though, it would be helpful if you post back on this thread, once the complete extent of the leakage is known.

Then, if it turns out they were being completely honest in their diagnosis, we can post a formal apology to them
Yeah absolutely, the Sorento has that plastic guard but I think the area where they claim is leaking is exposed. Moreso than that, I am both checking for leaks on the floor and also going to be checking the dip stick on a daily or every couple days basis. Then when it warms up (forecast says in the next few days) I plan on lifting it on some ramps and taking a look down there myself.

When I do get a chance to take a look under there, I am going to take a look at that splash guard top side for any signs of oil and then going to keep it off for a little while and monitor it from there. I haven't moved it yet today, but it is in the garage with that light grey plastic mat under it, here's hoping nothing shows up!! But like you mention, I am doing both a visual check on the floor for leaks as well as dip stick check. Keeping in mind it is cold here, the oil might have less viscosity, but when I drive it around for a couple hours and park it in the garage I didn't notice anything at all and the oil is definitely getting up to temp in those conditions.

Absolutely, stealerships didn't get that reputation from nothing right. But I will for sure post up once I can get a full visual check and will continue to post updates as I go along every few days or so until I'm either certain nothing is happening (or nothing major) or if I am certain something is occuring.

Nonetheless I highly appreciate you mentioning the splash guard to me because had I not thought about it, I would have never known to think about it.

Thank you
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So thankfully (knocking emphatically on wood) we are at day 6(?) and about 400kms later and still the oil has moved exactly ZERO from the level it was when I got the oil change. I know it hasn't really been much in terms of mileage, but according to the papers from the dealership there is a "heavy leak". Those words exactly. It hasn't been hot enough to take a look yet, but I will do it in the next couple days just to fully settle my mind.
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Well, it has now been close to a month and thank god not a single drop of oil under the car (even when parked for 2-3 days in the garage) and the oil has not moved even a single mm from where it was on the dip stick when I did the oil change (a little over the full mark). So I think the dealer is full of crap and I am glad I never agreed to pay the $1300 asap. I was so stressed and to think what a load of crap after all.
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Thus far I have a feeling the dealer is claiming the sky is falling on me and trying to recoup some of that recall money.
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Don't know about Canada, but in the US the dealers are not spending a penny on recalls, because they are paid by the manufacturers. Moreover, they are eager to do them: they collect the money and the customers are happy without paying a penny. The only problem arises when the manufacturer's allocated labor hours are unreasonably low. One of my cars (a US brand) was at the dealership for an electrical recall. The time allocation was two hours. Six hours later the mechanic was still "studying the procedure" and didn't even touch the car. Obviously, it was the first time for him.
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