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Old 05-06-2007, 09:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Arrow need help cranks but does not start

ok first post to this site, i am trying to help my mother and her god forsaken kia, everytime i work on this car it is a pain, in any case i have an interesting problem, she told me that sometimes it would not start but that if she tried long enouph it would eventually fire up but the it would run funny for a little while, so i figured that it hadnt had a tune up or really much more than an oil change and t-belt and over a 110k miles on the clock it probably needs a tune up, so we get the parts and i take the throttle body off clean it up, replace the plugs, inspect the wires and boots, pressure cleaned the injectors, and new filters. started it up and it seemed to run fine.

week later she says it is still doing it, i tell her no problem buy a new car, she says but i love my kia and now 3 weeks of it sitting in y drive way i am at wits end, what the car does and it only does it after a hot soak or after it has been driving for a while and then gets parked for 2-40 minutes is the engine will crank and not start, i tried manually providing fuel buy using starting fluid in air horn and still does not start which tells me it is spark related, but by the time i get to plug wires it has spark and will start, takes a while with removing the aluminum air horn that goes over plug vally cover.

based on symptoms i thought maybe the crank sensor was failed as that was a common problem with jeeps that gave the exact same symptoms and conditions of no start, so i called looking for cam and/or crank senors and ended up at dealer who stated they were special order and after a litttle more quizzing of parts person found that they hadn't sold either in over a year, well in my experience if the dealer parts person tells you that you dont put a $120 part in as a guess if it hasn't broke on any one elses it probabbly aint broke on this on.

i did try reading codes but the otc nemysis that i have access to will not hook up this is an obd 1 set up, apparently they were that way in early 95 models and i haven't had much luck.

i would gladly take it in to a dealer , but the condition does not happen every time it is kind of a crap shoot on whether it will start or not i drove it one day all over town making 20-30 minute stops and never a problem and then another i thought i would need to tow it back to the house.

any help would be greatly appreciated

B.T.W. this is a 1995 KIA Sportage 4wd with a dohc motor

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Old 05-12-2007, 08:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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thats similar but when mine does not start it wont start with spray either, sounds like you definately have a fuel delivery issue,

any one else out there have this problem

thanks
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Old 05-16-2007, 08:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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This sounds like a problem that I had. It was a relay that needed replaced. $25 and it was all better. Have the mechainc check your relays.
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Default Replacement relays

Thanks for the info.Which relays were they?
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Go to Automotive Forums .com - Car Chat Forum - Connecting the Auto Enthusiasts. Click on Kia.
This site seems to have more real time possible
solutions to the hard start problem.
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Old 05-17-2007, 01:16 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I also have this problem, intermittent stalling and cutting out, hard starting at times. Mostly when engine is hot. Feels almost like vapor lock. Starts fine if I spray the air intake with starter fluid. My mechanic couldn't find any problem. Took it to Kia dealer. Couldn't find problem. Tried to sell me a $1400 engine overhaul and tune up. I did the tuneup myself before taking it in.
Only thing Kia mentioned that the engine grounds needed to be redone. I cleaned the grounds. Still have the problem. For now I keep a couple of cans of starting fluid handy. Another thing to do while at idle or stop sign is to keep left foot on brake, right foot on gas to keep engine idling just a hair above idle to keep from stalling out. It's a quick solution for now. If I find the problem I'll keep you posted.
Your problem with idle is likely caused by a sticky Idle Speed Control (ISC) valve - I have had some success taking the ISC off and cleaning it with carb cleaner.
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Thanks for the info.Which relays were they?
It's most likely the fuel pump relay - it looks much the same as the standard relays, but has a special timer circuit built in.
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I am having the same problem with my wifes 99 Sportage, where is this fuel pump relay located....Im not a mechanic by trade, so specifics will help, I have pulled the fuel pump and changed the filter allready...
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I am having the same problem with my wifes 99 Sportage, where is this fuel pump relay located....Im not a mechanic by trade, so specifics will help, I have pulled the fuel pump and changed the filter allready...
Welcome to the forum.

It's inside the engine compartment fuse box, and the legend for locating it should be on the fuse box cover.

Try this web site for more info on finding this relay.
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Hopefully I solved my similiar problem. Stalling at inappropriate times, hard starting, etc. Check the ground wire to the fuel pump harness.
Located under the rear seat. You have to lift the rear seat forward.
The harness is under the carpet flap. The ground screw is attrached to a painted surface. Remove screw and sandpaper the contact area for metal to metal contact. Hopefully this will solve the problem.
This has bugged me for 6 months. Tried to narrow down a solution. Even Kia couldn't find anything wrong. Last 3 days I've been driving around and it hasn't stalled or had a starting problem. Have my starting fluid just in case. The problem was especially bad in hot weather (I live in Miami). Keeping my fingers crossed. Ordered a new fuel pump relay also.
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