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When you go in neutral the torque is reversed on the shaft which would account for the change in vibration pattern.
Really it is almost neutral torque not reverse. Reverse torque on the shaft would mean a very short period of quiet during transistion. And then the restart of the noise form the load in oppisite direction. And since there is no load(torque) either direction in neutral, there is no noise/vibration. And before you get all RANGE ROVER on me. Yes there will be noise/vibration in the shaft always! Just none you will hear/feel sitting on your butt in your padded British Throne Chair. Nor the Lawn furniture they used in the D90/110.
As for LAND ROVERs seris one thru three they are the like Princess and The Pea. Feel and hear everything even someone breaking wind in the back.
BTW pstn the term you might wish to be searching for right now is
FREE WHEELING
But then what is to be expected of a Joey really.
Last edited by 04SorentoLX : 08-09-2008 at 02:22 PM.
Yes please do keep us posted chief0299. As there are a few rather disturbing issues being throw about here in your last post about the tires then it was the bearing for sure. And the Warrnty covering and not covering. As well as if the bearing is that bad then weather you bought the vech as is or not and only 4 weeks ago not 4 months. The bearing should have been like you said taken care of to sell it. If that means they capital cost the vech out at $500 to them more and try to get $1000 more forma lemming then ok. Or eat it. But letting that vech out like it was is very disturbing. We are not talking sales/salesmen putting a $45 K-mart battery in it to push it out the door and sell it rather then a $125 KIA one form the back. And the back of the house does not know what the front of the house did.
Last edited by 04SorentoLX : 08-09-2008 at 02:43 PM.
I'm not very impresed with the service department at the dealership so far. When I called back Friday morning to talk to the service rep, I was put on the phone with someone else who told me that my warranty company would not cover the repairs fo the prop shaft/ carrier bearings. I asked him how that was possible and he informed me that the warranty i recieved only covered the powertrain, which is basically the engine and transmission. In a polite manner I asked if he knew what warranty I recieved and from which company, he said he wasn't sure but that most companies won't cover it. While I was on the phone with him, I had my warranty papers in hand and they explicitly say that replacement of drive axles/ prop shafts is covered, my exact words were (again in a poilte manner) "You're a f*cking idiot. My warranty papers say that it is covered, now put me on the phone with William or would you rather I come down there and show you in writing that the repairs are covered?" I was put on hold and William picked up the phone.
William picked up the phone and apologized for his co-worker. He said that he would contact the warranty company and get back with me. An hour later I recieved a call stating that the warranty company had no policy with me. I was told that it usually takes around 30days for the company to get my information and all... (it's only been 4 weeks). SO, I'm awaiting a call from my dealer to let me know when I can bring my Sorento down to have the entire prop shaft and carrier bearing assembly replaced.
Again chief0299 very disturbing in deed. But I know it take time for paperwork to catch up with itself. That just proves all the more it has not been THAT long since sale to service dept. Hense should have been fix before or for sale. Adn you policy is as of the date on the contract. Not weather they get the paperwork done today or next week. Date of effect is date on contract or sale. Now as for the little caviet emptor. SOME policies make the dealer use his dime for the first 30 days. Others make you wait 30 days before first claims. Both have to do with PREVIOUS CONDITION clause. You did not by a "as is" vech and should not be treated as such. Thou the dealer is trying to make you think and feel that way. Either way they slice it it is not your problem if you have a warrtenty other then normal maintanince parts and work. It is thiers. But you have the paperwork and can read well as you said you had to. SO do not loose that paperwork as you will need it over and over again for years I fear. Get used to it with that dealer.
And for those that are not sure of the term CONTRACT
Contract= Fully signed by both sides and exucuted on a date fully noted in contract. And one where their is intent expressly implied for payment. Or one where there has been a monitary exchange taken place.
So his sales CONTRACT is one and if it has a added extra of extended warrenty on it that too is a contract for warrenty service as of that date. Provided he signed a loan agreement or paid cash at that time. If they take a TRADE that validates the contract as that is YOUR assets given to them even if the load falls thru days later. And the dealer was techically paid in full. And collected for the warrnety in full. At that moment the clock starts ticking. If they play it other wise, then you have the legal right to push back the clock on the other end for like amount of time. And then get that in WRITTING!
Example would be. Buy car on Jan 1 2008 with 10 miles on it told Feb 23 you have no warrenty till Mar 1st as it took us that long to get paperwork validated. On march 1st you have 1500 miles on it. You then say legally ok my 5/50 warrnety that ran till Jan 1st 2013
will run till Mar 1st 2013 or 51,500 miles. And my 10/100 will be Mar 1st 2018 or 101,500 miles. And you want it in writeing or cover the claims since Jan 1st 2008. If they balk tell them you are now paying retail for a used car on Mar 1st and you wish to return it as the whole sales contract was invalid. Watch the jumping beans then.
Last edited by 04SorentoLX : 08-09-2008 at 03:44 PM.
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you are makeing a habit af getting it wrong 04 LX ...when the engine drives the rear axle the bearings wear in one particular fashion ...when it neutral the rear axle drives the gear box internals ..the torque which in not inconsiderable as it is spinning the internals at at least 2-3000 rpm is reversed and the drive shaft loading move to different parts of the bearing surfaces ,indeed the carrier bearing my physically move its positon in the rubber mount hence the vibration or frequency of the vibration changes..just because I write something does not mean you have to try to find fault with it ...
you are makeing a habit af getting it wrong 04 LX ...when the engine drives the rear axle the bearings wear in one particular fashion ...when it neutral the rear axle drives the gear box internals ..the torque which in not inconsiderable as it is spinning the internals at at least 2-3000 rpm is reversed and the drive shaft loading move to different parts of the bearing surfaces ,indeed the carrier bearing my physically move its positon in the rubber mount hence the vibration or frequency of the vibration changes..just because I write something does not mean you have to try to find fault with it ...
Nothing of the kind. But then write it correct or stay out of the sand box. All you had to say was not "reverse the torque". But say freewheeling (again NO TORQUE either direction) the driveshaft. Or Like I said "Neutral Torque" either direction. And everyone including me would have been fine. I call them as I see them not as you think you wrote them in aussie land. You were wrong and I told you so. And your still wrong and I have explained it in the right way so I am not wrong. And since you now bring it up. I was waiting for you to say I am being picked on for a while. Boo Whoo. I will now state for the record, I do not seek(have a search engine looking for them) out YOUR posts and find fault with them. I read a great many posts/threads. I infact have read your posts at times and not made comments at all. As I agreed and you stated the idea very well. Told you that too in post form a few times as well. Just as I read some and had issues with them but again did not comment as it was a minor(not worth the effort) error or bending of the facts that would not in my mind be of a hazzard to the masses here at large form you. I do not as well recall how many others I have taken issue with and thier posts. But I know for sure it is not many per capital as you. And as you have the most shooting fish in a barrel record for bad posts it seems like I pick on you. What does THAT tell you.
BTW in your post above, now whom is not keeping it simple, stupid?
By the way everyone TORQUE is a function of power as you all but pistn know. The rear wheels/axle/driveshaft drag inertia turning the inner trans parts is not a fuction of ANY power or Torque. A true two way torque fuctional example/model would be. The regenerative braking in some Electric or Hybrid vechs. Torque(power) is used in the forward moving mode to move vech. And TRUE reverse torque on the drive motor is used in the decel mode to make power(it is now a GENERATOR) to recharge battery. The only other way it works or would work in our vech is eng braking on decel by taking out of overdrive but still in drive at 60-70 with foot off gas. The torque will reverse on shaft. But that is not what we are taking here about. AS pistn clearly stated trans in NEUTRAL. Free wheeling and its torque neutral state can be done in drive or neutral as long as the vech is on level ground and rolling with out much resistence. But it works longer and better in plain trans gear neutral.
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Its a constant mesh gearbox the only thing that can spin the gears in all that oil is torque down the prop shaft ...as most of us have worked out 04 sorento LX is a bit crazy in the head...
Its a constant mesh gearbox the only thing that can spin the gears in all that oil is torque down the prop shaft ...as most of us have worked out 04 sorento LX is a bit crazy in the head...
Funny thing pistn I have many IM's and Mails saying something very different. One so far in reply to my yesterday post. Thou some say I am colorful in the way I treat you as well. And should tone it down. But then why should I, your just too much fun. I like shooting fish in barrel. If only for the entertainment value.
Again you jsut proved my point that POWER and TORQUE are two different things.
And if what you say were true above. Then we have been falsely told to tow auto trans vech on there non drive wheels. Or if on thier drive wheels in neutral only short distances or with drive shaft out or disconnected. As they will lack lubrication of inner trans parts. If your shaft were turning all the gear in there it would be lubing them as well. And not as is the case, the motor running and the torque convertor from the eng turns internals and lubes them. But the output shaft is disconnected from them to get neutral or free wheeling. The trans selector lever is not a torque convertor disconnect one. So ALL the drive shaft ever turns in neutral is the output shaft or tail shaft. But then again maybe in a RANGE ROVER? The laws of physics do not apply?
Fishies in a barrel.
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