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I want the to keep me happy 99% of the time. Is that so much to ask?
Seems to be. I may have missed it, but did you ever get to read your manual and change the displays. Note that the Kia is not a US manufactured car - why should the default be for US buyers, who are probably the minority anyway? You have the choice - can't say fairer than that. Laziness and disrespect of the consumer? Which legal beagle gave you that one? Really crass comment imo. You even had a go at Canada! - condesending, disrespectful, insulting?
You make the reference to the X5, Wild Rabbit, as being "named" competition. You say that Kia has failed (except on price of course). I don't get to see the US advertising very much, so has Kia actually claimed to beat the X5 in all respects? Forgive my confusion - it must be all the awards the Kia has won in Europe and elsewhere. (I always thought that competition was the striving to achieve success, winning or loosing is the result.)
Handling? pay for BMW type wheels and you will get BMW type handling as several on the forum will attest I think.
Now you are going to have to drive your, lousy cheapo Kia for 7-10 years? Lousy finance deal I think. If you can afford a BMW go and buy one and go and sit on their forums when something doesn't suit you - please.
I may have missed it, but did you ever get to read your manual and change the displays. Note that the Kia is not a US manufactured car - why should the default be for US buyers, who are probably the minority anyway? You have the choice - can't say fairer than that. Laziness and disrespect of the consumer? Which legal beagle gave you that one? Really crass comment imo. You even had a go at Canada! - condesending, disrespectful, insulting?
Let's start with the "legal beagle" it is called the Constitution of the United States, and I believe it's first ammended clearly states that I have right to free shpiel. And that no goverment shall suppress it. Private companies can, but individuals cannot infringe on the rights of other individuals to express themselves freely. That includes pornography, unpopular political speech, and critical remarks about 05 KIA Sorrento. I'm not a happy owner, and have every right to express my opinion on this on any other forum of my choice, as long as do not cuss, or swear, or call people names which I have not. Is this legal beagle enough for you, sir?
Moving onto Canada - I do not remember "having a go" at Canada. I seem to remember mentioning that Canada is the country nearest to me that uses meters, liters, and celcius. If you consider this remark deragotary in any way shape or form - that is your opinion and your choice, but please do not put your thoughts in my mouth. I can speak for myself, thank you very much. Care to reconsider?
And last but not least. I do not care about KIA's dealings in other markets, however having dealt with internationalization of products in the past I know for a fact that customization and localization of products are key to success, and very important factor in consumer appreciation. Maybe US is a minority, but we pay the fair price, and have every right to expect some consideration. Setting the default to US measures will cost KIA absolutely nothing, since all they have to do is to mandate that their suppliers do so with a certain portion of the deivces installed, and then they have to make sure that the right cars go to the right place, which is something they already have to do anyways. Ergo I repeat myself - laziness and disrespect of me as a US consumer, just because I'm in minority is not an excuse, its just plain inconsideration.
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Originally Posted by gee6
You make the reference to the X5, Wild Rabbit, as being "named" competition. You say that Kia has failed (except on price of course). I don't get to see the US advertising very much, so has Kia actually claimed to beat the X5 in all respects? Forgive my confusion - it must be all the awards the Kia has won in Europe and elsewhere. (I always thought that competition was the striving to achieve success, winning or loosing is the result.)
Handling? pay for BMW type wheels and you will get BMW type handling as several on the forum will attest I think.
KIA did not advertise any such thing, nor did I say that they did. All I said that I saw an article that said that KIA built Sorrento to compete with BMW X5. From that prespective I gave my strongly biased opinion, based on my very personal driving expirience. You don't like it - tough. Buy your own beamer, drive it for a year or two, and then come up and tell us what you think. Until then I'm sorry - your loyalty is to KIA is admired, but your expertise in this particular comparison analysis is somewhat less than relaible. You don't like my conclusions? Well don't tell me to shut-up, tell KIA to fix their mediocre product. Anyhow I hear what you're saying, and somehow remain unmoved by your argument. Once again 30%-50% in price is well worth it, unfortunately for me I shall not have the proper budget for quite a while. Alas!
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Originally Posted by gee6
Now you are going to have to drive your, lousy cheapo Kia for 7-10 years? Lousy finance deal I think. If you can afford a BMW go and buy one and go and sit on their forums when something doesn't suit you - please.
Thank you for your concern and empathy. I'm overwhelmed. To tone down your concerns the financing is semi-decent. It is not free, but it is well within the budget. If I could afford a BMW I would have, but as I clearly stated earlier, I'd rather have a family. As far as sitting on forums - I did, and I do, and I will. And if you don't like the fact that I do not share your excitment over this particular brand, make and model - well too bad for both of us. I'm stuck with KIA and you're stuck with my rantings
Last edited by Wild Rabbit : 07-21-2006 at 09:41 PM.
Reading your posts confirm to me that you didn't do your home work prior to buying the Sorento. Manufacturer hype has never impressed me and that includes Kia comparing the Sorento to a BMW if that is the case. The BMW outclass it no doubt in your mind because of your experiences. Far too many people buy the Sorento and enjoy driving and owning one. Not perfect of course, but the Sorento is a decent vehicle that sells for a decent price unlike your BMW brand. I would expect a more refined vehicle in the price range of the BMW X5. You bought the Sorento that has a self learning automatic so give it time to learn your driving style. It may never live up to your expectations so find a way to sell or trade it in before you have a stroke. Again, I am sorry you are so disappointed and do see your points. Kia can't please everyone. Have you contacted Kia HQ and complained about your dealership? I would at this point if it was in your situation, if just to vent. Wish things were different for you. I am sincere when I say it.
Again, I am sorry you are so disappointed and do see your points. Kia can't please everyone.
I'm not sure what are you trying to say here, other than placate me? You see my points, one of which prominently screams KIA is not even trying to please anyone. When you can do something for your clients at little or no cost to you, and you don't do it, then don't mention customer satisfaction - you'll get one.
Separately I wanted to mention that I appreciate your ongoing concern for my heath. I'll be happy to inform you that I changed my diet, increased the excersize, take my blood-pressure medication daily, and regularly see a physician, so the dramatic increase in my chances of storke, caused by the KIA Motors Co, have been properly mitigated. Nevertheless I find your concern very touching.
just to add my 2 cents, i have changed my life style to reduce the possibility of an ulser caused by the Kia system of poor service and shoddy vehicles
Kia service is the worst i have ever encountered, the most troublesum vehicle i have ever purchased
i did extensive resurch befor purchasing (but apparently not enough) making up a list of requirments.
the sorento came closest, for us it was not a matter of money
if i would have known of the front engine pully issue i would have run out of the dealership leaving a flaiming trail !!
we are moving next month and the nearest Kia (krap imported to america) is 85 miles away, so soon after we move this POS goes, good thing it is now paid for
every time i go out to use it i push the key fob button to see if the battery is dead or not and do a pre flight check under the hood to see if the crankshaft bolt is still in the same position
Kia what a friggen joke !!
From what I read in the Sorento forums the first Sorentos like mine built in 2003 have been the best as far as most problems. Also the problems they did have like the bad clocks and driveline problems were found quickly bt Kia and fixed.
Now I notice it's the later Sorentos that are now having major and minor problems that Kia is not responding as quickly. Also it seems the Kia service Dept.s are stonewalling alot of people trying to get their Sorentos repaired. My Kia dealership is under it's third owner since 2003.
About the FREE oil changes. I buy a Kia OEM filter from my dealer and pickup some 10/30 Mobil1 at a local Walmart. Get the two skid covers off and change my own oil and filter.
The beloved BMW X5 has its own shortcomings for being such a perfect vehicle. Problems include some rather important areas of quality or lack there of!!!! Check out thiese links:
Here's a web site devoted to all the problems with the BMW X5. VERY INTERESTING!!!!!!!! Not a perfect vehicle afterall. Go figure.
Above link includes problems over several production runs of the X5 including current issues. There is an example: It is widely agreed that the BMW X5 is a spectacular vehicle. (See for example my page about the outstanding safety of the X5.) Unfortunately, the X5 has suffered from poor reliability compared to the average modern vehicle. According to Consumer Reports in Fall 2003, based on responses of X5 owners in their surveys, the X5 had about twice as many problems as the average vehicle. It's -100% rating was off of CR's chart (-80% to +80%) in the negative direction. Nonetheless, many people are quite happy with their X5s, and CR's owner satisfaction rating for the vehicle is the highest possible 5 out of 5.
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The beloved BMW X5 has its own shortcomings for being such a perfect vehicle. Problems include some rather important areas of quality or lack there of!!!! Check out thiese links:
Here's a web site devoted to all the problems with the BMW X5. VERY INTERESTING!!!!!!!! Not a perfect vehicle afterall. Go figure.
Above link includes problems over several production runs of the X5 including current issues. There is an example: It is widely agreed that the BMW X5 is a spectacular vehicle. (See for example my page about the outstanding safety of the X5.) Unfortunately, the X5 has suffered from poor reliability compared to the average modern vehicle. According to Consumer Reports in Fall 2003, based on responses of X5 owners in their surveys, the X5 had about twice as many problems as the average vehicle. It's -100% rating was off of CR's chart (-80% to +80%) in the negative direction. Nonetheless, many people are quite happy with their X5s, and CR's owner satisfaction rating for the vehicle is the highest possible 5 out of 5.
Thank you for such a vivid illustration of my point: Unlike BMW, KIA is not even trying to satisfy the customers. It's not neccessarily the car - it's the company. I seem to remember agreeing with you on all points about BMW, it just seems to me that want to have the last word, for some reason protecting KIA against vicios Wild Rabbits.
and you're stuck with my rantings
The 2003 Sorento
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