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Has anyone done the calculations regarding how many miles pa need to be done on the new Ceed to justify the Diesel premium?

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Its easy enough to calculate. We do 10,000 miles a year in our CRDI at 50mpg, that's 200 gallons. In a petrol we would probably average about 35mpg, that's 285 gallons meaning we save 85 gallons at £6 a gallon, £510. Servicing is the same but we save £70 a year on RFL, total saving £580.

The CRDi cost us about £1000 more than a petrol thus after 2 years we are in pocket. We keep our cars 5 years normally thus we should make a good saving.

Don't forget that diesels are worth more second hand, Parkers suggest a 5 year old diesel is worth £800 more that a 5 year old identical petrol.

Simples.
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I find the initial extra cost of a diesel car over a petrol one is well worthwhile irrespective of mileage for better acceleration & mpg. Seven 7 post shows there is a considerable saving after 2 years.

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I find the initial extra cost of a diesel car over a petrol one is well worthwhile irrespective of mileage for better acceleration & mpg. Seven 7 post shows there is a considerable saving after 2 years.
I'm surprised you say "better acceleration"
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I'm surprised you say "better acceleration"
I'm not, I came into diesel ownership off the back of owning a 3.2 V6 Vectra GSi and a Civic VTI with 170 bhp, and not once have I felt short changed by the diesels extra grunt.

Back on topic, we're also forgetting that diesel cars are a lot cheaper to tax too...
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I'm surprised you say "better acceleration"
Its not the fuel, its the turbo.

If you are talking 0-60 a petrol is normally better than a diesel with similar power in the same body. But when it comes to in gear accleration e.g. 40-70 in 5th the diesel turbo will always beat the similarly powered petrol in the same car, its down to the way the torque is produced.

Personally even if a diesel did cost more to run I would buy one since the modern petrols I have driven tend to be gutless beasts that need the nuts revving off them to produce decent performance.

The exception I have driven was the 122 bhp 1.4 turbo petrol in the Skoda Octavia, in truth I think it drove better than a diesel, no lag at all and great power all the way from 1500 - 6000 rpm with great in gear accleration as well, nearly bought one but an expected mpg of 35 put me off together with the deafening road roar even on smooth roads.
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Ceed3 - sure we all had this conversation about a month ago, interesting as that was it went wildly off the original topic

Seven7 - really interesting to see those figures actually, salesmen always say you'll only benefit if doing 17000+ miles p/a, but you show clear savings in 2 years at 10k p/a.

FTR: my 1.4 petrol averaged 38mpg from January to October according to fuel log pro, - doing <>15k per year, mostly on country roads. Should've gone diesel, if only I could stand the engine noise!

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Its not the fuel, its the turbo.

... the modern petrols I have driven tend to be gutless beasts...

...The exception I have driven was the 122 bhp 1.4 turbo petrol ...
Err, quite.

I agree that modern normally aspirated petrol cars feel gutless. Too much weight and not enough cubes.
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I'm surprised you say "better acceleration"
I find the performance of the new Ceed 2 1.6 diesel 126 auto appears to exceed the official figures especially 0-50 mph, I find it feels a lot faster than my previous 2 litre auto cars both petrol Dodge Caliber & Diesel Chev Cruze.turbo lag on the Cruze despite having 150 bhp & a 6 speed box that functions exactly the same as on the Kia. I suppose weight & drag are responsible although I have not compared figures..

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My current hire car is a Seat Altea 1.6TDI. Goes quite well I must say, copes with my commute with ease and fewer gear changes than the pro.
It's an Altea SE spec with a 105PS Ecomotive engine.

So far averaged 46mpg according to car (short of it's claimed 54 urban), though I've not been logging fuel data since crash.

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