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The Nissan Dci 2.2 2005 I had prior to the Kia CRDi said in the manual, that being a turbo diesel, you should wait 15 seconds after turning engine on before driving off, and 30 secs when stopped before turning off.
It was a pain in the ass, but I did, as under warrenty.
The theory was that the turbo had time to get lubricated on startup, and on switch off it had a chance to cool down.
Turbo still went at 24k, and I drive like a wuzz 80% of time - commuting.
Anyone know if this is good advice for turbo diesels in general?
Or just Nissan trying to evade a bad engine design fault!
I've still got my 2002 Primera 2.2. Never heard of waiting times. Mine has done 65000 miles with no problems. Only complaint I had was accelrating hard, usually in third, would produce a cloud of black smoke out the back. It is a bit embarassing but annoys the hell out of morons that drive too close. Nissan reckon this smoke is normal. Who knows.
I've still got my 2002 Primera 2.2. Never heard of waiting times. Mine has done 65000 miles with no problems. Only complaint I had was accelrating hard, usually in third, would produce a cloud of black smoke out the back. It is a bit embarassing but annoys the hell out of morons that drive too close. Nissan reckon this smoke is normal. Who knows.
And just such a cloud of black smoke once got in my eyes while on my motorbike with visor up. I had to do an emergency stop due to my eyes streaming non stop. Visor lesson learned!
I had a 2003 2.2 Dci and loved it, prior to my 2005 one.
It was only when I researched why I had so many problems that I discovered what the difference was.
Up to the 2003 model, the engine was fab - I found it a real stormer which is why I went for the next one - 2005. However, in 03/04 Renault ploughed into Nissan - I believe they are a partnership now. The equiv Rennie (Safrane?) to the Nissan suffers the same engine probs. They decided to boost the turbo power through EMS to compete with the latest TDCi models from Mondeo and the like. The result is that on a post 2003 Nissan 2.2 Dci your turbo is guaranteed to blow. OK, so more usually later on in life, but mine did it early.
Nissan largely accept it as a warrenty job now, but only replace with a recon turbo. Basically, they are taking out all the broken turbo's from one load of DCi's, then replacing the fins, and putting them in the next load.
I was thinking of sueing but couldn't be bothered. My 2003 Nissan had massive power and did 48mpg at least on M/W. The later DCi got recalled to reduce the power in order to save Nissan repair money. So basically I was buying a 140bhp motor to do 50mpg, and ended up with a 120bhp pussy which did 38-42mpg because of the bad EMS after recall.
Nissan ditched any diesel option in 2006 for Primera. (running out of turbo's)
Just google this and you might find the anger from owners of the car made after your 2003 model, Steve.
Mine is an SVE estate. I was going to trade it against the C'eed but was offered so little, I traded my wife's Fiesta instead and kept the Primera. It is a marvellous all rounder with a powefull and fairly economical engine, but it sounds like a tractor next to the C'eed.
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And just such a cloud of black smoke once got in my eyes while on my motorbike with visor up. I had to do an emergency stop due to my eyes streaming non stop. Visor lesson learned!
What about the 'not driving / riding too close lesson then'?
The theory is the following. This applies to all turbo cars.
Back in the days when turbo came to the mainstream (Provided by SAAB with the legendary SAAB Turbo) the oils and the quality of the turbo's wasn't always the best. The recommendation was to allow the turbo to lubricate at startup and at wait at least 1 minute before you turn off the engine to allow the turbine to slow down while the bearings are still provided with oil.
Naturally the components have been improved. Nowadays you can generally say that when you start the car, just drive of (How often do you start the car and floor the accelerator within 5 to 10 seconds ??). You should allow the turbine to slow down (up to 30 seconds) before you turn off the car if you have driven hard or fast just before you want to turn the car off. To sum up, if you drive normally you don't have to think about it.
In my cee'd manual it says that you should wait up to 30 seconds before turning of if driven hard or fast.
What about the 'not driving / riding too close lesson then'?
It was a new style Land Rover (well, new in 2003) and I was at least 50 feet behind. The driver put his/her foot down hard on the loud pedal and half the engine came out the exhaust. Saw it happen on an 18 month old Jag X-Type too which is why I hate diesels. Said I'd never buy one but 15,000 commuting miles a year now says otherwise
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