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Replaced Timing belt before it broke. Vehicle will start and run for about 3 seconds then won't start for several hours. Will a car still start if I inadvertantly put the crank out of phase or is the compression affected and that is why the car dies?
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Replaced Timing belt before it broke. Vehicle will start and run for about 3 seconds then won't start for several hours. Will a car still start if I inadvertantly put the crank out of phase or is the compression affected and that is why the car dies?
If you haven't already, recheck all the timing marks. Also make sure your camshaft position sensor and crankshaft position sensor are plugged in. You should scan it for codes and see if any are stored. It could give you some direction to chase.

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Thanks, checked and re-checked the timing marks. Verified to ensure correct belt. Checked the OBD II reader - no codes. Both positioners have been replaced. Could the crank be out of phase and affect the compression stroke?
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Thanks, checked and re-checked the timing marks. Verified to ensure correct belt. Checked the OBD II reader - no codes. Both positioners have been replaced. Could the crank be out of phase and affect the compression stroke?
Ok, so lets start with the basic introductions: year, engine, location, mileage. Other than checking your connectors for proper connection to their correct harness, I'm gonna guess a fuel/spark issue.

Nevermind, found your previous post regarding the same issue. You might put the corresponding information in your profile to avoid the same question.

Only thing I can come up with is either timing is off and/or wiring connector is not seated. If it feels like only three cylinders are firing, that might be the case. If you're able to spot the timing marks on the cams closest to the firewall without a mirror, I salute you sir. Because I know this is where I've seen issues before. My own techs have made this mistake more than once. Most times I use an inspection mirror to verify those cams are lined up. Just a thought: you didn't happen to unbolt the timing belt tensioner pulley? I did this on my first timing belt job on a 3.5L and that haunted me twice before I figured out my mistake. Realistically, you shouldn't have to unbolt that pulley for a timing belt job.

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Thanks for your interest in helping. Out of timing is the most logical solution. I initially tried to put an mirror on the back cams but since I don't have an inspecton mirror, a straight mirror is not very helpful. I tried to take a picture with a digital camera but the distance is too close and the picture blurs. Truthfully what I did was run my finger along the cam sprocket with the groove to feel the cam mark. I did that for both right bank cams. I also thought that maybe since the sensors were replaced that maybe the electrical connection didn't seat but that is not the problem. The only problem there is that I didn't use any dielectric grease. I will have to get some. So, what I will do is create an inspection mirror and I will let you know what I find. Is it possible for the crank to be out of phase and cause the ill firing circmstances? Or does the ECU correct the firing and fuel issues when the crank stroke is changed?
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Finally was able to put an inspection mirror on the two right back cams that are hard to see. All are aligned perfectly. Since it was a couple of days since I tried to start the vehicle, I gave it a try. Again it ran 3-5 seconds and then stalled and would not restart. Could this car run if the crank was out of phase? I didn't put the belts on the alt, balancer, ac com or power steering pump in case I needed to adjust the belt to correct the timing on the crank. I put the OBD II reader on, still no codes. Thanks for your help. I have to be close to getting this van running properly.

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Also put dielectric grease on the cam and crank position sensor connectors. Not sure what I should do next. Any suggestions?
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Also put dielectric grease on the cam and crank position sensor connectors. Not sure what I should do next. Any suggestions?
Just a possibility: the ignition failure sensor. Usually when this fails, you get a P0320. But I've seen where this sensor will act up and throw no codes. Similar to what I've experienced before, just had to think back a little.

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I think that I pondered just about everything but I can't seem to find an answer on how to determine the proper crank timing phase. I am not familiar with an ignition sensor. Can you tell me where is that located? It is strange that it will start but will not stay running and won't start again for several hours or even the next day. I tend to think somehow it is fuel related. I first tightened the fuel cap to see if it made a difference but it didn't then someone suggested to take the fuel cap off, still no improvement. All your help is very much obliged.
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I think that I pondered just about everything but I can't seem to find an answer on how to determine the proper crank timing phase. I am not familiar with an ignition sensor. Can you tell me where is that located? It is strange that it will start but will not stay running and won't start again for several hours or even the next day. I tend to think somehow it is fuel related. I first tightened the fuel cap to see if it made a difference but it didn't then someone suggested to take the fuel cap off, still no improvement. All your help is very much obliged.
Ignition failure sensor is located on top of the thermostat housing. If this sensor fails, it will result in a no-start, even a intermittent no-start. Whether this is what is occurring in your case, I don't know. If you creater a free login at Kia Global Information System (KGIS), you'll have access to the DTC flowchart for determining if this sensor is the cause.

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