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Old 09-22-2005, 05:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello,

There's been two or three posts recently reguarding the suitability of of the factory fitted tyres for the Sedona

Because of the last post on the subject I took my vehicle today to a couple of independant tyre shops/fitters, both said my rear tyres were not reinforced and were surprised at this fact due to the weight of the vehicle, both said ITO the tyres were absolutly unsuitable for towing.
Thought I should mention this.
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Old 09-23-2005, 02:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Exactly what I was saying on my thread! They really should be reinforced. We have Mercedes Vito traveliners on our fleet (Vito vans with 8 seats) they have less gross weight capacity than the Sedona and they all come with reinforced tyres.
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Old 09-23-2005, 04:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hi Pepper,

I saw your MPG post.

It was your post and another member's recent post, ( can't remember who ), that had me running to the tyre shops yesterday.

I to have the same problem in so much as my rear Kumho's still have decent tread on them and I'm loathed to waste them.

Both tyre shops had nothing to sell me, I told them I wasn't buying.

One of the fitters really thought I was taking a chance as the car stood due to its weight alone

Having said that Pepper there have been several posts about the factory tyres failing but with no serious consequences, ( except to ones pocket ), and nothing involved with towing, thank goodness.
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Old 10-02-2005, 09:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I am amazed that car owners would place more value in the opinion given by a tyre fitter with probably no formal qualifications over the engineers at KIA and Khumo who make both the car and tyres and all the trained people in various countries where these vehicles are sold who test and asses new cars to ensure they meet their various countries design rules, crash performance etc.
Now I know a manufacturer will put the minimum cost parts on a car usually just sufficient to meet both vehicle reliabilty and minimum standards of the various countries where the vehicle will be sold. But my own experience is that my 2001 model Carnival has done 110000kms changed the original tyres at 75000kms and they gave no problem other than simply wearing out. I almost always run the vehicle with 6 or 7 adults and plenty of load in behind the rear seat and often driving on unsealed roads. I again had fitted the radial ply Khumos and in fact I sourced them again because they were a overall a good tyre. Now I would wager that in Australia where I live our roads are a lot more harsher on cars and tyres than the ones in Europe and North America. I think your concerns about the original equipment rubber is unfounded. **** what are you complaining about they ain't goodyears fitted to Ford SUV's!!
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Old 10-03-2005, 09:09 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Hello Classic boy,

Hm- qualifications ok fair comment but I rather think you miss the points raised in the posts.

It wasn't just about the tyres reliability but suitability and there is a difference.

Pepper's original post was about the suitability of the tyres fitted if used for towing
as it had been brought to his intention they were not reinforced.

I had also read on this forum and others, Sedona/Carnival owners question the quality of the tyres fitted, there have been the odd incident of the tyres shredding.

I don't tow as yet but it is my intention to hook up a trailer loaded with car and drive to Germany and bring a vehicle back.

Because of the questions raised I checked my tyres with two fitters, both concluded with what Pepper found- the tyres were not reinforced.

They both felt the Khumos were not suitable for towing and one of them went further and was surprised there was no reinforcement due to the vehicles weight alone.

As for qualifications over opinion based on experience--- I want my surgeon to be qualified and hopefully with some experience before they get to me but am quite happy to act on advise/ opinion given by a grease monkey/tyre fitter with 20 years behind them, with no qualifications.

The fitter who queried the weight, her name is Nellie and born with a tyre iron in her hand.
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Old 10-03-2005, 11:47 AM   #6 (permalink)
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It was Firestone tyres fitted to SUV's if I recall but even I may be wrong!

As Seacam says the tyres are rated ok for the maximum axle weight but I want to tow heavy loads over long distances, this is why I was asking other peoples opinions I and nor was Seacam taking what our local tyre fitters were saying as gospel we were trying to form an opinion.
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Old 10-04-2005, 02:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Seacam what are you buying !
I need to know now !!!
The goodyear gt2 's im using seem to be ok and fairly quite too - I wouldn't have kuhmos after the canvas showing through on the inside when I changed them. Strangley the sister kia with consecutive chassis no's my father inlaw bought was fitted with hankooks ?


p.s seacam is a big or a little trailer..............
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Old 10-04-2005, 08:39 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Hello Eco,

At the moment I've got Firestones 680s on the front and Kuhmos on the rear.

I found my choice limited in the reinforcement section.

Pirelli P 6000 around £ 70-00 each H rated.

Quickfit do a Pirelli P1215 £113 each H rated.

Maragoni £ 75-00 each H rated.

Continental ECO £ 65-00 each T rated.

Avon Avander, ( I think ), Commercial 8 ply £ 70-00 T rated.

Firestone do an 8 ply as well.

The choice I've settled on is Continental.
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Old 10-04-2005, 10:40 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I didn't miss the point you folks were indicating you were considering changing tyres based on the opinion of tyre seller employees who probably have a vested interest in selling tyres and the opinion of strangers on 'other' forums. I just pointed out that many qualified people who had done extensive testing on the design of your car should have ensured that the tyres fitted to your vehicle were up to the task. And I will add some more of my 10cents worth.
My carnival is legally rated to tow a 2500kg trailer/caravan/etc as long as it is braked trailer/caravan/etc. And as it is designed by the manufacturer of the car and I am sure the tyres maker was required to supply tyres that must meet that requirement. To do that otherwise the car would not be given design approval to be sold in my country with that towing rating, if the tyres were consider not up to the task the towing rating would have been reduced. I would imagine that most countries have similar systems in place to certify a vehicle with all its equipment as sold with its ratings can do the task. But I also know that the 2500kg max towing weight is not sitting on my back tyres.
Also just as important most tow hitch systems have a limit on the down force that a correctly loaded trailer can apply to it, and that typically is not exceding 100kg. As you would be aware the towed trailer/caravan/etc tyres' carry the vast majority of that units weight. 100kg downforce is equivalent to a fat passenger, so hardly putting much strain on the cars rear tyres.
Now unless the laws are a lot different in the UK the car maker and the hitch maker do advise the vehicle operator to limit the amount of down force applied to the rear of the tow vehicle to no more that typically 100kg (no big ask for the tyres on a 1800kg empty weight car) to exceed that would void the warranty and insurance.
I have not checked recently but I recall carnivals tyres are rated around 670 kg each, therefore total vehicle to max loading cannot exceed 2680kg (4 X 670kg), GVM that is the sum of the vehicle, a full pax load, fuel, luggage and hitch downforce of 100kg max probably caps out around 2500kg, therefore tyre load limit is not exceeded by design.
Towing should be conducted with a bit of science and not on the gut feeling of a tyre fitter no matter how experienced.
I do have a lot of experience as I do extensively tow, I regularly use a 12X6 dual car trailer hauling full size sedans and I use regular radial ply tyres on both car and trailer without problem, I also until recently used a 1800kg caravan and hauled it to most parts of Australia, sometimes racking up in excess of 10000kms in a year and I have shredded a few tyres over the years but most were on the towed trailer or caravan. But I don't tow with the carnival I use a locally manufactured chrysler V8, I think the carnival is a little underengined to tow well.
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Old 10-04-2005, 11:54 AM   #10 (permalink)
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As an uninformed lurker of forums I would rather give my daughters a gun each than stick a set of Kuhmos on
And ive had a blow out on the motorway..........my mate's done better and rolled a caravan
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