Alternative Engines or Rebuild Kia engine? - Kia Forum
User Tag List

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
#1 (permalink) Old 10-20-2008, 02:56 PM
Newbie
 
Kiatrapz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 5
Gallery: 0
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Thread Starter (Thread Starter)
Default Alternative Engines or Rebuild Kia engine?

Hi guys' I have a 2000 model Carnival which after 2 days decided to blow itself away, was considering pulling down motor myself, doesn't look too difficult, have became interested in this engine sleeve issue, would be keen to hear from those whom have rebuilt engine themselves or from people whom have investigated or actually found a another engine that may be better for us. Many of us now have great condition vehicle with dud motor. Maybe we can change motor and finish up with a performance machine.
Kiatrapz is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
#2 (permalink) Old 10-21-2008, 03:31 AM
Newbie
 
Kiatrapz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 5
Gallery: 0
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Thread Starter (Thread Starter)
Default

Got a chance to view pulled down engine today, they don't look that complicated, still awaiting comments on other engine conversion possibilities surely someone must have heard about that being attempted.
Kiatrapz is offline  
#3 (permalink) Old 10-22-2008, 02:32 AM
Newbie
 
Kiatrapz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 5
Gallery: 0
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Thread Starter (Thread Starter)
Default

Hey where is everyone? I really expected some replies about my posting, no one seems interested, come on peoples give me some replies........
Kiatrapz is offline  
#4 (permalink) Old 10-22-2008, 03:41 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: kilmarnock
Posts: 483
Drives: 07sedona lx 2000 nubira 74 beetle 86 cbr1000 honda 93 harley lowrider 94 trooper 72 scimitar
Gallery: 0
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Default

being in oz i presume your motor is the kv6 lump so for info on rebuild and go faster tips try some of the rover mg forums as for alternative engines well how far do you want to go unfortunately you dont get the diesel version as that is the swap i would go for another possibility is the v6 mitsi lump as the newer sedonas use but how about going totally beserk and fitting a monaro lump any engine can be squezed into any car its just a case of how much work you are prepared or capable of undertaking i have seen pictures of a v8 chev in a toyota mr2 and at the moment i am helping with fitting a rover mgf lump into a lotus esprit (and that is a real can of worms)
ttfn glenn
93fxdl is offline  
#5 (permalink) Old 10-22-2008, 03:10 PM
Newbie
 
Kiatrapz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 5
Gallery: 0
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Thread Starter (Thread Starter)
Default

Really appreciate your good advices 93fxdl, we sure got the kv6 lump engine down here and they are failing continually, it is one real bad engine, I will check out the Rover MG forums as you suggest, as for other ebgines I had considered the Holden Monaro engine as it would definately provide adequate power at all speeds. Many thanks for reply.
Kiatrapz is offline  
#6 (permalink) Old 08-07-2009, 06:16 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: SE QLD, Australia
Posts: 301
Drives: 2001 Kia Carnival 2.5L manual & 2000 Carnival Auto
Gallery: 0
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)

Default

the rover mg forum has a very long detailed post of head gasket failure replacement for their version of the KV6 (used in the rover 800). Don't panic regarding their needs for timing alignment tools to lock all the pulleys in place. Our Kia K5 engine variant has the timing marks all on the pulleys... So long as ya work out that "EX" means exhaust side etc...

Also, check your existing liner heights above block surface. If they are excessive or differing - avoid the multilayer steel gasket currently in favour. That only works for nice flat, smooth engines. They will fail, and you'll get blowby/overheating issues damn quick. Oil in coolant usually arises from the sleeve sealant into the block coming loose. So do not turn engine by hand after taking cylinder head off.
The pistons could push the sleeves/liners out.
(mine are pretty well jammed solid with Bars' leak - great stuff after a KV6 engine rebuild
- not too much dumped in mind)

Shop on ebay sells the sedona gasket kit really cheaper than here in Aussie.

Family man with Kia Carnival 2001
KV6 petrol engine variant.
Rebuilds after years of using as a 4WD substitute...
Conglomerate is offline  
#7 (permalink) Old 10-27-2009, 11:36 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2
Gallery: 0
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Default

hi all i am looking for an engine for a kia pregio does anyone knw if the is another make of vehicle that the engine might fit straight in. cheers
BIGPUG is offline  
#8 (permalink) Old 01-31-2010, 04:23 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 3
Gallery: 0
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Default Carnival engines

I posted a lengthy enquiry on this same subject 2 days ago, V6 Conversions in Moree is doing Comm conversions but, my questions was I was so surprised that No one seems to have tackled this years ago, in USA they use 3.5L engine what is it? They've only USD700-900 50-80,000 Miles.
2 Korean Wreckers told me they don't import engines and that the 2.5K's were useless unless fixed properly, both also said the same about later 3.5L engines and the same about the 2.7 Hyundai engines. Geez.

My engine has been rebuilt before (7years ago, have receipt), but still broke.

I wonder if K.. manufacture them or simply buy them in to specification.
I am presuming the 3.5 in the USA is similar to the 3.5 as per Pajero (Mits Magna??) but, for all I know the USA Carnival/Sedona (as its known over there) was made in the USA and has a GMH aka Commodore 3.5litre in it.

I'd be passionate with anyone who could tell me what the USA V6 was, whether the USA Sedona had the same Auto/Manual trannie as in Oz and whether the USA (Or Pajero.Magana) might almost bolt into a Carnival (with mods of course). Google Sedona Engine and you'll see pics, eg in eBay, the USA Carnival looks much the same as Aust save for Leather Interior and the Steering wheel is on the wrong (??) side!!

A Mits 3.5 V6 must be a better option than a Commodore V6, unless an Alloytec might fit.

An Aussie Mits V6 3.5 has the gearbox on the correct (passenger) side (Older 3.0 V6 wrong side), so does an earlier Nissan Maxima, of course the Comm donk points the wrong direction (but this would be fixable).

How did you go with your rebuild, I've been quoted FIRM $6000-7500 and I'd like to fix it, but not for 7k..

The pics are USA Sedoona 3.5litre V6 2000ish.

Dave bird_davidj@hotmail.com
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Sedona Engine.jpg
Views:	2728
Size:	110.2 KB
ID:	5093   Click image for larger version

Name:	Front.jpg
Views:	688
Size:	115.0 KB
ID:	5094  
Daved is offline  
#9 (permalink) Old 03-02-2010, 06:47 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1
Gallery: 0
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Default

Our 2000 Carnival has just got the blowby/overheating issue again. The first time we had it fixed was about 2 years ago cost of around $2800 (which is better than the $8,000 originally quoted from the KIA dealership.) I will take it apart and do it myself this time as I can't spend that amount of money on the thing again.

Reason for my post is that, I had reverse gear problem that required an full overhaul around 2003. One of the things "I think that the" gearbox guy said was that the gearbox was the same as the Mitsubishi Magna. Didn't think much of that comment untill last week when I thought about what type of engine I could replace the current type with.

p.s.. The USA Sedona looks exactly the same doesn't it.

Strud
struds1 is offline  
#10 (permalink) Old 03-02-2010, 08:07 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 479
Drives: 08 Sonata LTD 3.3, 10 Dodge 1500 Hemi, 95 Taurus GL, 09 Sonata GLS 2.4
Gallery: 0
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daved View Post
I'd be passionate with anyone who could tell me what the USA V6 was, whether the USA Sedona had the same Auto/Manual trannie as in Oz and whether the USA (Or Pajero.Magana) might almost bolt into a Carnival (with mods of course). Google Sedona Engine and you'll see pics, eg in eBay, the USA Carnival looks much the same as Aust save for Leather Interior and the Steering wheel is on the wrong (??) side!!
The KV6 engine was never used by Kia in the North Amreican market. I think it's use in any Kia was the last vestiage of influence by Ford when it owned a chunk of Kia (and Land Rover too I think). All North American Sedona models have used Hyundai designed V6 engines. From 2002 to 2005, Sedona used a cast iron block/aluminum DOHC head version (code named Sigma) of the Hyundai Delta 2.7 liter V6 engine bored and stoked to 3.5 liters. Produced a little over 200 hp, more than the 2.7 liter version in it's original configuration, but pretty enimic for a 3.5 liter motor compared to Toyota, Honda and Nissan V6's of the same capacity. Reliability is OK, except the design carries over from some of Mitsubishi's influence and uses the rubber timing belt to drive the water pump. If the pump seizes, the belt is trashed and so is the motor (full interference design). Since 2006, the NA Sedona has used the 3.8 liter version of the Hyundai Lambda V6 (and no it's not a Mitsubishi 3800 engine). This is an all aluminum V6 with DOHC heads, CVVT timing and timing chain that produces a about 280 to 290 hp tuned for the minivans.

Last edited by Ken99; 03-02-2010 at 08:11 PM.
Ken99 is offline  
Reply

  Kia Forum > KIA Models > Kia Carnival & Sedona Forum


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (0 members and 2 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On