Anyone know if you can use fresh vegetable oil?

[PeteB_2000]

still looking for a answer on this one if anyone has done this, i still havent dared to try

[MIB]

Pete, The original question was ref using vegetabl oil.

The subject has caused much debate with the Delica owners club. There are several threads that can be checked out if you visit Mitsubishi Delica Owners Club UK - Free to join delica l300 and l400 owners community
Essentially the advice I have been given is that for basic diesil engines vegetable oil can be used and it is best to introduce it at a raio of about 10%.Now, the CRDi engine may not fall into the category of 'Basic' but the original 2.9 diesil td probably does.

Some Deli'owners run on much higher concentration of vege' oil.

Be careful though if you do decide to use it, personally I would recommend against it (but I'm a coward). The Inland Revenue insists that any vehicle running on substitue fuels must declare and pay the applicable rate of tax on a per mile basis , in advance!!!!

Should you get pulled over ,dipped and caught out then they have the authority to impound the vehicle and can charge back tax for the full period that you have owned the vehicle, regardless of how long you have actually been using the vegy juice. Quite how they work out your mileage I don't know but I'm not prepared to risk it

Check out the new Shell Diesil that is being introduced, supposed to be more efficient and cleaner, though naturally no cheaper.

Anyway Pete, whatever you decide, good luck and keep us posted.
Cheers
Mark

[PeteB_2000]

im way to chicken as i know it will cost 1000s to put right if it goes pete tong.

There must be sedonas in france though where its either 5% or 10% veggie as standard

[carmonkey]

Ohhh, come on SOMEONE shove a load of veggy oil in their tanks and see what happens - CRDI engine please.
I'm sure nothing will happen, no , nothing at all.

[93fxdl]

the problem at the moment with veggie fuels is there are so many permutations about and so many variables the first is what is the base oil ie rapeseed, sunflower, peanut or even coconut then you have the choice of new or used then you have the various ways of using it , neat or basic modified or fully modified to bio diesel so all this leads to a plethora of choices to make and each of those choices seems to lead to even more questions such as if you decide to use neat oil will your engine need converting and if so which style of conversion to use and which supplier to do the conversion
i suppose this is why i havent tried veggie in my sedona (as yet) plus it is driven mainly by my wife on short journeys so if i carried out any experiments it would have to be when the car is used on longer journeys to get some reasonable comparisons but the experiments i carried out using a 2.5 peugeot engine i used fresh rapeseed oil thinned with white spirit with millers diesel power plus added mixed with 2 thirds diesel the only problem was that sometimes it would white smoke but a quick thrash up the test track would blow it clear
for info on brew your own try bio-power and it seems the main supplier of conversions is an outfit called elsbet (not sure of the spelling)
best of luck glenn

[93fxdl]

well i have gone and done it at last so the answer is yes & no since i have tried a mix of about 20/25 per cent veg and the yes part is the car starts and runs fine possibly running a touch smoother than on pure diesel the no part is that up to now have only covered about 50 miles so have no idea about the long term effects but as for more serious information visit dieselveg.com as they have information about changes in the taxation and also full blown conversions to run pure veg oil only using diesel when starting and stopping, if people are interested will continue to post my experiences as they happen hopefully there will be nothing much to report other than "i drove the car today and nothing unusual happend"
bye for now glenn

[PeteB_2000]

Well I have just "gone for it" after getting nowhere and so much mis-information everywhere

Initially had a mix of around 37% SVO to 63% diesel no probs so on next fill up i put a 50/50 mix in right upto the brim (76 litres) done around 250 miles so far in it but have noticed its more difficult to start other than that seems ok, bit dis-concerting about starting as the current ambient air temp must be 15-20c, so I guess it would be much worse in the winter, heard a cap full of thinner may help this issue although not tried that yet, also pre heater is an option but as yet I dont know how difficult or how much this is likely to cost

Viva la revolution
Pete

[kolo@post.cz]

you can use fresh vegetable oil?

you can, the High pressure pump cost ???

2000bar with vegetable oil your destroy the pump and injector valves!!

[PeteB_2000]

yes i use fresh supermarket veggie oil, are you saying I shouldnt?
Im sorry Im not sure what you are trying to say

[93fxdl]

the problem with using veggie is that it is quite a bit thicker than diesel and if you are using it in some engines that is not a problem as they have pumps that are strong enough to stand the extra load but others (lucas pump) are weaker and will break recently i was told a weakness in a lot of common rail systems is the low pressure pump which if it fails feeds debris into the high pressure pump also the temperature of the oil has an effect on vicosity hence the prevalence of two tank systems (start on diesel till the veggie has warmed up then switch over) so your local ambient temperature will affect starting adding a solvant helps but you have to be carefull what you use as if you use kerosene this is not road legal and the tax man can hound you it is probably a good idea to add a cetane improver to your mix (i use miller dieselpower plus)
for more info on modified veggie go to Bio-Power Index page and info on twin tank systems try DieselVeg Home - Diesel to Vegetable Oil engine conversions also next months issue of car mechanics is going to run another article on veggie ps the current state of play on mine is still running fine but it isnt being used much at the moment only for local journeys
best wishes glenn