sedona 2006 relays please help

[jackiain]

hi everybody.
i have recently changed the actuators on the sliding doors. doing so repaired the rear left side. but not the drivers side. does anybody know if this could be a relay problem. if i turn off the overhead consul it will still open the working door even when turned off. and i am wondering if this could be part of the relay thats causing to happen and also not making the right hand side work i love this car and not having this work with 4 kids is a pain
any comments would be much appreciated
thankyou
just a thought do these doors work of a relay system ?

[GregsKia]

When you open the rear hatch, on the left side panel, open the access door. (Where the jack is). There is a fuse panel in there. If you had a mechanical problem I could help more, but I am clueless about electronic systems. Sorry

[gtd2000]

I think you might need to give a better breakdown of what's working and what isn't.

1. Does the faulty door open electrically at all - either by internal buttons or pulling the door handle?

2. Does the passenger side door work with the overhead console button even when you've isolated the power with the overhead switch or do you mean it will open electrically when you pull on the external handle?

3. Have you verified if there is any power getting to the door?

As I understand there is a logic process to be followed when replacing the actuator motors. Basically, if the door opens by pulling on the handle then it's pointing in the direction of the actuator motor being at fault.

If the door doesn't respond to pulling on the handle then it's probably the main door motor that's at fault, or a fuse may be blown? See also the "shunt" fuse which supposedly helps to reset the system.

Of course you could also have the same problem that I encountered - have another look at my video where the door fails to open or close properly - because the pull-cable had become disengaged. The actuator motor was properly fitted and working - but the doors did not respond with power.

[GregsKia]

I do know that there is a re-learn process. Turn the power on the overhead console off, and go through the cycle of opening and shutting the doors a few times.

[jackiain]

thank you gregskia and gtd2000
yes i have done a fuse check they are ok. i just wondered if there was a relay for the doors somewere.
the door that works will work by any method now. but also works when the overhead button is turned off.
the door that does not work will not respond to any buttons i press and can only be opened manually.
i have tried the shunt but no luck on that.
i don't think there is any power going to any of the buttons related to the offending door no clicking. beeps.or actuator sounds this is why i think it could be a relay (if there is one fitted)could there be a relay at the back of the fuse housing. i have googled door relays and it only comes up with door lock relays but the door locks and unlocks ok electricaly. is there a specific check that i could do for checking the power source to the right hand door.
thanks again for your help

[jackiain]

gtd2000
i saw your video and that's what prompted me do diy on the doors. brilliant and you must have saved kia owners literally thousands of pounds over the globe.
yes i checked cables ect i think i will buy another actuator. knowing my luck the new one was faulty too. maybe clutching at straws here but i will try all the same. my local dealer wanted to charge me over a thousand pounds to fix the doors so so far i have saved 980 pounds haha.bet im not so lucky on the next door though

[gtd2000]

Before you buy another actuator I'd just try hooking it up to a power source - I'm not sure if the actuator runs on the full 12v or not?

I'm kind of thinking aloud here but you could perhaps just make up a couple of connectors and connect the actuator motor to a battery? Obviously, you'd need to research/verify this before you felt happy about doing that.

Does the UK version of the Sedona have an electric window in the sliding door - does the window work properly or do you have a complete loss of power to that door?

£980 (US$1600) is ridiculous for that repair

On my mothers KIA Picanto, the total bill (which was finally paid for by KIA UK) for rebuilding the engine after fitting a new crankshaft was £650 (US$1000) down at Belmont KIA in Selkirk.

You can get the actuators pretty cheap on ebay.co.uk but I'd be verifying that there is actually power getting to the actuator motor connector and tracing back where possible.

[jackiain]

yes i agree. even if i try a battery charger i dont mind destroying a actuator 9 pounds each to get results yes it has electric windows on rear doors and are working ok. hey we are talking the uk here its a rip off place. they think of a price and double it i think its around 65 70 pounds an hour labour charge excluding parts. could be more ? i think i will try and pull the center consul off too and have a peek. failing that try and work out if i have any power going to any of the switches. or see if i can get anybody with an avo to test them its my only chance before it goes back to kia, humph. think il go get a chicken sandwich
i do thank you for your help and how cheap is that to change a crank. doubt if they would do that here. they would just charge for a new replacement motor
i have had this sedona from new just over six years done 44000 miles and had no trouble apart from a faulty fuel pump. oh and it eats front tyers like a new set every year so cant complain that much

[gtd2000]

It used to be "Rip Off UK" years ago I agree - but to be honest a lot of stuff is currently very reasonable compared to other countries that used to be much cheaper.

I noticed a big drop in prices after the recession hit - the opposite to the USA where almost everything (other than house prices) seems to have gone up since the recession..

Right now, I'm in California and one of my colleagues takes his car to a back-street garage for oil changes and repairs - it's US$95 (£60) per hour but in my local area in Scotland (Galashiels) a back street garage is probably only £35~40 per hour at the most.

I also thought the price to swap the crankshaft was pretty reasonable but as it should have been fixed by KIA under warranty (it's a factory defect) I was pretty pi$$ed off at the time - especially when I told them what the problem was and they kept telling me otherwise!

It might be time to think about a different brand of tyres for your van - over here in the USA it seems quite normal to get 40~50000 miles out of them. The Sedona/Entourage is mainly available as the heavier LWB variant so there's no reason for terrible tyre life. As an example one of my mates has a Mitsubishi Warrior that had a set of BF Goodrich tyres fitted - they lasted 80,000 miles I think he had 2 or 3 sets before he discovered that price isn't always the best way to look at buying tyres.

Tyres in general don't seem to last anywhere near as long as they do in the USA - maybe it's due to the different types of roads or just much softer compounds? Perhaps you need the tracking checked - or is it even wear?

[jackiain]

well scottish roads have become dreadfull i mean pot holes sometimes 5/8 inches deep. i dread to think of a motorbike going down them and as you know it rains alot here and when they fill up with water you cannot see them i think we need to check tracking every couple of months and at 35pounds a time it dont come cheap.yes i get unrven wear. next tire change i will take a look.
im going yo have to wait until monday to look at the doors again ive got a hard 2 days work at the weekend, and dont have much daylight yet. bet your jealous now. im up in glasgow but originally from essex down south