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Well, after trying an Ebay HID kit that was a total failure, in my opinion, I've finally settled on what I think is the best solution for upgrading the dim stock H11B's, fitting H9 bulbs in their place. After a very long trip in my Rondo, much of it at night, I can say that the stock headlights have a great spread, just not enough light, like butter scraped too thin. An H11 bulb max will put out 1200 lumens, while the H9 will output 2100. The H9 bulb is a 65W bulb, while the H11B is a 55W, however, it's only a 1A draw difference for each bulb. Hardly enough to be a problem.

I purchased a pair of Hella H9 65W bulbs (Made by Osram for Hella and branded thus - good quality) and a pair of H9 sockets/harnesses from Autozone. I crimped on spade connectors on the harnesses and shoved them into the H11B connector. I did have to trim down the connector where it plugs into the bulb so it would fit in the headlight housing, but I was able to get everything to fit right eventually. The result is a MUCH better light, without the issues of cheap HID kits.

FYI, Daniel Stern Lighting recommends the use of H9 bulbs in H11 projector beam applications. He is a very good resource when it comes to vehicle lighting questions.
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A few questions:

1. Why HID was a failure?

2. Why so much hassle? Why did not you go with... H9B. It would be a simply direct replacement.

And one comment (65W vs 55W will have no noticeable change...) as for lumens to be exact 2100 vs 1350
But what I wanted to say is that they significantly differ. H11 (B or not) has a black "cover" on the top of the light bulb, while H9 (B or not) does NOT. I am not sure what influence it would have on projector housing, though.


Is the cut off line same? Don't you get any "bright spots" or unwanted light?

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I went through several "replacement" parts with the HID kit I purchased, none of which fixed the issues I was having (flickering/light shifting, light shutting off after a few minutes of being on, etc). I just didn't trust that the lights would work reliably enough for use in a primary vehicle for me. That's why I returned the kit and got the H9's instead.

As for the H9B, I like the idea a lot, but availability and price hindered my choice. From what I found, there is only one place to order the H9B from, and it would cost $68.81 for two bulbs with shipping. The H9's I purchased were $20 for two shipped. In a pinch, most autoparts stores also carry the H9 bulbs as well.

The cut-off line is the same, there is just more "spill" and a brighter hot-spot. No "unwanted" light or glare. I just put them in last night, so I will try driving around more with them soon to get a better feel.

Putting an H9 bulb in a reflector H11/H11B housing is not generally recommended, however, with a projector beam application, it is just fine. Not having the cap/cover on the end of the bulb does not affect the beam negatively, due to the design of the projector housing. If you search other car forums, the H11 to H9 swap is a very commonplace thing to do. In my case, I didn't even need to modify the bulb base with tin snips as some forums suggest (trimming the metal tab to fit easier into the holder), it just fit in no problem.
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yeah, you are right. I did not suspect there would so big problem with getting them...

When I was looking in the Osram catalog on the base of both it appears that H9 is upside down comparing with H11B - is that right?

How did you manage to avoid collision with the contacts from the H11b snap-on connector?

Pictures (especially comparison) would be great.

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I'm not sure about the base being upside down... I didn't look that close.

I removed the H11b snap connector from the bracket so I could just push it into the empty space in the housing with the H9 socket connectors plugged in.

I didn't take pictures of the H11's, but I could take some of the new lights in.
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I'm all confused now...I read here a few months ago that options include going from H11B to H11 and switching some wires or going to H7 and switching backplates. I would like to get brighter low beams (I don't really have a need for high beams) like Sylvania/Osram SilverStar Ultra or GE Nighthawks for example, but I could not find a direct fit and since bulbs cannot be returned, I played it safe, waited and did nothing...

Brighter halogen bulbs mean shorter life but I don't do much night driving anymore and I don't want to go to HID's. Wattage is only part of the story when using traditional filament bulbs; "long life" bulbs equal yellowish light and dimmer output. There was a chart on some Sylvania bulb packages (if I remember well) that showed a comparison between the different bulbs they were making so one could pick the best suited for the specific needs. I bought some very bright high beam Philips bulbs at Costco a few years ago and they burned out in record time and I ended up with no DRL (could have gotten a ticket here in Canada, they are mandatory); Costco stopped selling them shortly after and I can imagine why!

Any suggestion is welcome as I'm getting older and alas, my night vision is not what it used to be and the laser eye correction made it a bit worse than when I was wearing contacts but that's another story; I have a lifetime garantee but they told me the difference is too small to get surgery again and they suggested I get glasses for night driving (sic).
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The H11B and H11 are the exact same base, just one is the "snap-in" connector and the other plugs in. The H9 is almost exactly the same base, with just the larger tab a couple millimeters more to one side than the H11/H11B. It fits without any modification in the H11/H11B base, though.

The Osram Nightbreakers are pretty bright, but they have a shorter life than the Hella/Osram H9 (500hrs) bulbs and don't put out as many lumens.
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From what I understand nowthe H9 base fits directly in the housing but the connector has to be changed
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I am more interested in making my high beams brighter. Anyone do anything with that? Didn't find anything on search.
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Freedom55, yes, you are correct. In the original post, I linked to the connectors I used.

GregsKia, you can take a look at the Candlepower store for H1 bulbs for the high beams. Personally, I think the stock high beams are plenty bright enough. I would stick with 55W bulbs, as the high beam setup is a reflector setup and not projector beam like the low beams. Narva makes some good products. A stock H1 bulb is 1550 lumens, a Narva +30 is 1690, and a Narva +50 is 1780.
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