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OK,

Call me dumb.

I looked at the Kia-Tech site and the diagram showing the FRONT bulb layout does not duplicate what or how my Rondo's bulbs are designed into the headlamp assembly. It's also pretty darned light on info as to how to replace the bulbs. In fact, it's mostly absent.

All that said, can anyone assist me with the proper bulb replacement procedure / technique for replacing what I would refer to as the "RUNNING" Lamp. This small bulb is located directly beneath the Main / Low beam Headlamp bulb. In other words, they are both located behind the inner-most access cap.

I removed the battery, since it's already a trick to get to it easily.

Then unscrew the access cap.
Then, removed the lead wire / clip for the Low beam lamp and slid it out of the way.

But this running lamp socket simply spins. You can see it from the front of the headlamp assembly, and notice it has two, tiny, plastic "ears" that retain it.

But how to get to the bulb?

The replacement bulb I have is the Sylvania 168, which is what Autozone shows as the replacement, and by the looks of it, is the correct bulb.

If I could only ever get to it!

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OK,

Call me dumb.
Ok, but not really. Information on bulbs has to be the sketchiest area with Kia and Hyundai cars. One of my peeves is how little information is provided in the owners manual. Who specifies bulbs strictly on wattage? At least Hyundai lists the socket type which helps narrow down the search, but then the company will change bulbs specs (like the switch to H11b bulbs in some headlights) without telling a soul. You are not alone with this frustration. Why they can't list the SAE or EN type is beyond comprehension.

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I looked at the Kia-Tech site and the diagram showing the FRONT bulb layout does not duplicate what or how my Rondo's bulbs are designed into the headlamp assembly. It's also pretty darned light on info as to how to replace the bulbs. In fact, it's mostly absent.

All that said, can anyone assist me with the proper bulb replacement procedure / technique for replacing what I would refer to as the "RUNNING" Lamp. This small bulb is located directly beneath the Main / Low beam Headlamp bulb. In other words, they are both located behind the inner-most access cap.

I removed the battery, since it's already a trick to get to it easily.

Then unscrew the access cap.
Then, removed the lead wire / clip for the Low beam lamp and slid it out of the way.

But this running lamp socket simply spins. You can see it from the front of the headlamp assembly, and notice it has two, tiny, plastic "ears" that retain it.

But how to get to the bulb?

The replacement bulb I have is the Sylvania 168, which is what Autozone shows as the replacement, and by the looks of it, is the correct bulb.

If I could only ever get to it!
I think this is what Kia calls the "Position" bulb on some diagrams, but like you, I couldn't find any more information. I suggest you remove one of the headlight buckets to get a clean view of the back side. Since you have the battery out, the driver's side bucket has more room to work with. I think on the Rondo there are two screws, one on top along the back flange of the bucket, and one on the front next to the grill, that you remove. The bucket is then held in place by a pair of alignment clips on the lower back. Once the screws are out, push the bucket forward and swing up to remove. I think you will likely find a small wire spring clip in the back holding the bulb in place once you get a view of it.
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Hey Ken,

Boy that is for sure. Sketchy. Good word. And for fun, look at the drawing / diagram they show for the headlight bucket. It's not accurate to life.

I was going to remove the bucket. Naturally, I wanted to avoid it if possible. Seemed a little extreme. Truth is, rather than do all that nonnsense, if I get no definitive replies from someone who had done this simple replacement, I'll probably run by my dealer, Kia Mall of Georgia, on Monday. They're super nice and will probably just tell me which way to hold my mouth while twisting the bulb.

The spring clip you referred is what they use for the low beam / high beam. That's a ball o' fun / torture test all in itself. Did that one last month.

This other little lite is a puzzler. And to reiterate, if you look at it from the front, you can actually see the two little nibs that keep it retained from the front. So I can't see the way it's going to come out in reverse. I was leaning toward "SQUEEZING" the sides of the bulb carrier as this would make sense considering the "nibs" It just didn't have much effect. Perhaps I'll give it another whirl in the AM light.

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I'll add another comment regarding this "OPERATION".

And that is concerning the battery.

1 - The OEM terminal / cable ends they use are shockingly lightweight and so flimsy and want to bend when you "try" to loosen the nuts holding the cables onto them.
Before anyone wonders why I did that I'll say that I wanted to replace the negative terminal due to some auction lot jockey / idiot arcing it.

2 - Cables extremely short, and rigid.
Truth is, you almost have to loosen the cables to the terminal ends, because if you don't, you can barely get enough wiggle room to slide the connectors the required 1" upward in order to remove them from the battery posts. It's the tightest fitting cable assembly I have ever seen, or seen lately I guess. Especially the positive cable, which is fastened tightly about 6" from the post, and has almost ZERO play in it, to the point where I had to "pop" it off the battery post. And not much difference with the negative cable either. Yes, form fitting and compact looking, but what a circus act that all was.
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I think you will find it easier to remove the headlight itself, it's only 2 bolts and 1 wiring connector.

The light I think you mean is what we call our sidelight. It just pulls out, I found it best to get a pair of pointy nose pliers on the black housing and give a little tug it should just pop right out.

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US Rondo does not have running lights. And as other said, the bulb you were replacing is "position" light. It is located in high beam area, and it might be replaced by simply removal of high beam cover only, but as andspenka said - it is MUCH easier and safer to remove the whole headlight assembly to replace the bulb.
It takes only two bolts and two clips. Once the bolts are removed disconnect the wiring connector - the lamp will have some play, so you can put your hand between the battery and lamp.

Than simply pull the lamp.

One more thing - it is safer to replace the bulb at home, or garage, where is clean area, to any dirt getting inside. And the bulb itself is small so it may drop inside...

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Thanks PLP,

I am going to go ahead and "try" to remove the entire bucket.

I know this isn't a complaint forum for the Kia-Tech site, but again, the diagram showing the location of the two fastening bolts holding the bucket in is atrocious. They show the one bolt in front just hanging in space. There is the faintest dashed line supposedly trying to show its location, but it's useless.

I say this, since I see often in our forum folks advising to use Kia-Tech. I hope this particular section doesn't reflect the accuracy of the rest of the online manuals, or you'll be helpless trying to figure out what goes where.

As far as the bulb's carrier "just popping out" I don't think so.
Have you actually ever changed this bulb?
Because tug with as much might as you are conservatively willing to exert, and that carrier is not going to just "pop out". There is some sort of trick required to unlatch it. Any additional force is surely going to cause the "nibs" to break or worse. I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually. But just saying.
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ok, look here
http://www.kia-forums.com/kia-carens...007-rondo.html

or to be exact here
http://www.kia-forums.com/kia-carens...tml#post232636


As for the bolts - the picture shows where the go into, look on the thin line going to the lamp assembly. look on pictures above and you will see two bolts, and two clips
I agree, sometimes KIA tech info do not explain things as they should.

A hint: remove bolts first, next disconnect the connector, and then push the lamp out of the clips by placing your hand on the back of the headlight assembly and push it out. It takes some effort, do not worry.


I have removed the headlight assembly I would say at least 6 times and the clips are fine.

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I know this isn't a complaint forum for the Kia-Tech site, but again, the diagram showing the location of the two fastening bolts holding the bucket in is atrocious. They show the one bolt in front just hanging in space. There is the faintest dashed line supposedly trying to show its location, but it's useless.
I don't think there are a large number of screws on the front, lower corner of the headlight bucket to confuse it with. Look in the gap between the acylic lens and the grill flange with the hood open. I've enlarged the image that sort of helps.

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Hey again Ken,

Thanks. Yes the same one i was looking at.
Truth is, I sort of thought perhaps the two most obvious bolts were for alignment, but bit the bullet, and loosed and removed them.
Viola'!
Than the trick I found is too gently wiggle the bucket a little back and forth, side to side, a little less up and down bit not much, since the "clips" they refer to are really hard plastic alignment receiver guides for two flat stabs/tabs on the back of the headlight bucket, and as such, have their receiver slots going horizontally.
Pull it straight out toward the front of the vehicle.
It will tend to hang up on the upper edge around the fender, so you have to work it out a little.

Now that the bucket is out, I get a straight shot at the darned bulb socket in question.

Nope, no gentle tugging is getting this to come out.

In fact, so you may get a sense of the force used as I'm trying to pull the carrier out, as hard as I might grip the socket with my needlenose pliers, and tug, the pliers slip/fly off.
And they even scar the backside of the bulb carrier a little bit. (as pliers tend to do)
Too me, that's already too much force. There is something I don't know here.

I'm preparing as we speak to run dow nto my corner auto parts store and ask them if they know or have seen this little puzzle. I'm guessing they have. I bet it's goinig to be, "oh yeah, depress this, turn that - poof"

Will report back if I succeed.
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