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This is WHY everyone should be using Factory oil filters!

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#1 ·
Take a look at this PDF. I really see no reason to take chances on a aftermarket oil filter.
 

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The issue with this even with me is,
dealer is over 60 miles away, cost for gas or shipping to get it, puts that 1 filter at over 20 bucks do that math with 4 quarts of quality oil and your talking a 40+ dollar oil change.
Thats crazy, maybe if Kia wants this they need to have more locations, with 2 in vermont (im sure other states and owners have this same issue), and at that them being within 35 miles of each other (does that make any sense, not to me), makes it very hard for lots to even do services, let alone buy this kind of part every month or so at 20 plus dollars. or more, being located where they are I feel sorry for anyone living in south western vt, where there drive would be well over 2 hrs or have it shipped for I bet at least 10 more bucks, WOW, ive done v-8 oil changes for cheaper than that using quality oil and aftermarket filters.

Why is Kia designing the oil system if you cant use aftermarket filters?
I used to own a Jaguar, and god, an aftermarket filter was fine with that expensive vehicle, and not to bag on Kia (I love them) that is a rediculous thing. No wonder I see more and more complaints.
Its not about quality now, its always about corporate, or how they do warranties, or now, you got to use OEM, whats next? Got to use a certain gas? :)

OR wait I see it now,
An owner will have some issue with the oiling system, kias gonna see an aftermarket filter and they they are gonna deny that person warranty because they used an approved filter that EVERY OTHER CAR MAKER would be fine with?
Really? Its probably a matter of bad design and lots of issues, hide it, then knowing most do oil changes not at Kia, most will have non OEM filters, bam, they win, but not being honest.
Its weird that they are not stating this for anything before 2007 I think it said in that PDF.
Well then a dedicated Kia owner will be gone here if it comes to that. If I have an oil issue and they do that to me, I will have my Kia towed to the nearest non kia dealer and trade my Sporty in. I bet I won't be the last one once it comes to this. Thats simply rediculous.

The ONLY OEM filters that I have EVER in my 20 years of driving are the ones that were on it when I bought it new, after that and millions of miles on every car I ever drove was an aftermarket filter, in ALL that time and mileage, I have never not once, had an issue with oil, oil filters, or damage incured by an aftermarket filter.
Sorry for being a little irratated by this but god, this is a first.
 
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You can use aftermarket if you like. But use a QUALITY ONE. I like WIX when I did. Better to use OEM thou and if as you argue "buying one every month or so" for $20 then you can buy six at $5.95 each shipped to your house for $35.70. And used them "every month or so" right? Not $20 each. :cool:

P.S. Do the math. Thats only $15.70 ($35.70) more for FIVE MORE. Not $40 for two either.
 
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The irratation is rationalized, no need for apologies. I have definitely used my fair share of aftermarket filters, both on the autos and the cycles, no issues. It's just a choice anyway. For me though, when I can get the OEM filter for the same cost as a quality aftermarket filter, I'll go OEM. Why not.

I accordance with the PDF file that cobra supplied, I have also seen my fair share of flickering oil lights and noises caused only by the aftermarket filter. Once the OEM filter was installed, the issues were gone. Maybe I'm biased, but it's OEM for me, for the oil filter anyway (when it comes to brakes, chassis parts, etc.., that's a different story.)
 
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I have never had an issue with WIX filters. WIX is the manufacturer of the OEM filter, anyway. The OEM filter is cheaper, but for me the dealer is 60 miles away. Unless I am at or near the dealer within a few miles of oil change, I typically get the WIX. You can bash me all you want..on my highest-mileage vehicle I go 3 months between changes. I don't record the mileage, just every three months. The Sedona gets the biggest share of the miles, and I figure it was about 8,000 miles (Mobil 1 synthetic) between the last and most recent changes. Filter still looked like brand-new. Like I said, same manufacturer, same gaskets, same everything.
 

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WIX is the manufacturer of the OEM filter.
Unless this is a recent development, Kia/Hyundai OEM filters have always been manufactured by a Korean subsidiary of MANN+HUMMEL. There was a period of time when some U.S. manufactured cars came from the factory with a Mahle made filter (stamped made in Austria), but dealer replacement OEM filters have always been from Korea. The one time I used a Wix filter I was not impressed. Very uneven pleating, globs of excess glue around the end plates. It did it's job but was more expensive than what I was paying for OEM at the local dealership and far more than I now pay mail order. Also, the Wix kit doesn't come with the crush washer that is provided in the -3C100 kit.

I really don't care what other use for filters. I just see no reason not to use the OEM filter kits in these cars.
 
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Some oil filters don't even have a bypass valve! I replaced an entire engine on a customers' Rondo who only had hand-written oil change receipts, only about a quart of thick black, obviously burnt oil and who had no other records or recollection of any maintenance. This was under warranty as she was within time and mileage. Fair? No. Does it happen all the time? Yes. Because of the Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act, you are not required to purchase factory oil filters. However, there are known issues with substandard filters, so why go that route?
The bottom line is, if you come into a dealer with a problem commonly associated with non-factory filter installed on your car, my first recommendation is to eliminate this known problem. Because Kia can not warranty a filter it didn't sell you, or any parts that may become damaged from prolonged use of this product, why would you continue to do so?
What there really needs to be is regulation on the manufacturing and quality of things like this. It's unfair that a manufacturer has to warranty an engine because of a substandard oil filter that it (the manufacturer) can't tell you not to use. They can tell you that you must use a filter of equal value, but again, there is no standard.
 
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I would go OEM all day, though like I said, 12.xx for the filter at my dealer + 7.xx to ship, or a 2 hr round trip, (you know thats more than 8 bucks in gas) is crazy. Its just not cost, time, ect, worth it. I drive 3000K every week or 2nd week. Can I go to the dealer 2 hrs away every 1-2 weeks, hell no..... If I ordered it and had it shipped, I would have to buy one, do oil change and turn around and order another one so I know it would be here in that 1-2 weeks I would need it in.

You all do know there are different aftermarket filter makers. I have noticed some are smaller than others, (the ones to stay away from) (fram, super tech, ect) may see an issue. Like above, the wix is the same size, makes Kias, why not there?

Never had an oil light come on due to a filter, maybe you screwed it on to tight and resticted flow, happens too.....

Not that I am bagging on OEM, its just TIME, COST, just to get one. No one said anything about the OEM quality.

They can tell you that you must use a filter of equal value, but again, there is no standard.
They can't tell you how much you have to pay for a filter, so long as it meets specs (which even super tech does LOL) you can use it whether it cost 1 dollar or a 100.
 
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I would go OEM all day, though like I said, 12.xx for the filter at my dealer + 7.xx to ship, or a 2 hr round trip, (you know thats more than 8 bucks in gas) is crazy. Its just not cost, time, ect, worth it. I drive 3000K every week or 2nd week. Can I go to the dealer 2 hrs away every 1-2 weeks, hell no..... If I ordered it and had it shipped, I would have to buy one, do oil change and turn around and order another one so I know it would be here in that 1-2 weeks I would need it in.

You all do know there are different aftermarket filter makers. I have noticed some are smaller than others, (the ones to stay away from) (fram, super tech, ect) may see an issue. Like above, the wix is the same size, makes Kias, why not there?

Never had an oil light come on due to a filter, maybe you screwed it on to tight and resticted flow, happens too.....

Not that I am bagging on OEM, its just TIME, COST, just to get one. No one said anything about the OEM quality.



They can't tell you how much you have to pay for a filter, so long as it meets specs (which even super tech does LOL) you can use it whether it cost 1 dollar or a 100.
I'll sell you Kia filters cheap, $4.95 each. Buy as little or as many as you like. No tax, you are out of state. Shipping will be $5.00, right to your door. That is if you want to use Factory oil filters. Your car, your choice.
I posted that TSB because I think people should know that info! Do you agree?
 
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Changing your oil every two weeks? Yuck. If I were you, I'd switch to synthetic and extend that range to 5 weeks. How do you even find time to change it???
 
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The maker is Dongwoo Company (a subsidiary of MANN+Hummel)... OEM
Purolator filters have always been a good aftermarket choice, along with WIX filters. Purolator is now co-owned by MANN+Hummel which may make them the next best thing.

I never stated OEM was bad, simply put, hard to obtain, unless extra shipping, or a long drive...




They make Hyundai ones as well.
 
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You can not compare factory parts to aftermarket parts, they DO NOT have the same standards, period. Some higher price parts may be just as good as factory but for 99% of "other companies" out there, they are not made to the same standards as the factory parts, because they do not have to be. Its your use what you will, but it is what it is.

Reasons why factory parts are more expensive then 99% of everything else out there. Like wheels, you can buy 4 wheels and tires from yahoo down the street or super deal tire guy online for close to the price of 2 factory non fancy bling wheels without tires. You ever price factory parts compared to aftermarket parts... As most people know and yet frown upon, they are almost always more expensive, and for good reasons.

Its a reason why high end cars use higher end parts. BBS makes wheels for BMW. Real BBS wheels can be up to 1k a piece. Ebay clones are about $100 each. Follow.

Its not about country they are made in, its the standards and quality of goods they use to make the parts.
 
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The country they are made in DOES make a difference when the manufacturing standards for that country are much lower...Korea and China produce some of the most cheaply made original and knock-off stuff out there whether cars or stereos. The manufacturing standard for Japanese and US produced cars and filtering standard for most 'aftermarket' US/Jap/German filters is so much higher than those required in Korea and China that it is a joke for anyone to indicate that the factory standards for OEM KIA filters are high....It is entirely ludicrous to think that this thread is even being taken seriously by anyone with any engineering or mechanical experience.

There is obviously an issue with more free flowing filters allowing pressure drops in certain areas of the KIA engines and rather than actually put the time and effort in to engineer the engines so as to fix the problem, the band-aid is to put out a statement recommending the more restrictive OEM filter to keep pressure at a given level to prevent noises...again, quality standards or replace engineering and problem resolution with a restrictive filter to hide the issue??? Sounds like jack-leg standards to me...seen same type of "repairs" by shade tree mechanics for years....the other solution is to use a qualtiy filter and 50wt oil....shade tree fix for engine noises for decades.

I must agree that WIX and Purolator do make some pretty decent filters. That being said, when they rebrand to KIA OEM or whatever, they do not manufacture them to the same quality standard as the Puralator or WIX labelled brand, so just because company X makes filters for car company Y does not mean they are made to the same standard....and you can be assured that company X does not make a better quality filter for a subcontractor than it does for it's own namesake. Something to dwell on...

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The country they are made in DOES make a difference when the manufacturing standards for that country are much lower...Korea and China produce some of the most cheaply made original and knock-off stuff out there whether cars or stereos. The manufacturing standard for Japanese and US produced cars and filtering standard for most 'aftermarket' US/Jap/German filters is so much higher than those required in Korea and China that it is a joke for anyone to indicate that the factory standards for OEM KIA filters are high....It is entirely ludicrous to think that this thread is even being taken seriously by anyone with any engineering or mechanical experience.
Do you have any references to support your suggestions that South Korea produce cheap knock-off stuff like China ? (LG, Samsung, ?)
Are you perhaps mistakenly thinking of North Korea?
Most of the Kia's on US roads were built in South Korea, and would have shipped with filters made in South Korea, and I would expect that they would need to have a high degree of confidence in the filters, seeing as it directly impacts on the warranty that they need to uphold. I expect that they would also need to meet US standards to sell vehicles in the US ?

There is obviously an issue with more free flowing filters allowing pressure drops in certain areas of the KIA engines and rather than actually put the time and effort in to engineer the engines so as to fix the problem, the band-aid is to put out a statement recommending the more restrictive OEM filter to keep pressure at a given level to prevent noises...again, quality standards or replace engineering and problem resolution with a restrictive filter to hide the issue??? Sounds like jack-leg standards to me...seen same type of "repairs" by shade tree mechanics for years....the other solution is to use a qualtiy filter and 50wt oil....shade tree fix for engine noises for decades.
I'm not up to speed on the technical specification of the filters in question, but if Kia fit them in the service centers, then wouldn't they need that same level of confidence that their filter poses no risk to the life span of the engine and the warranty that they carry on the vehicle and the service work carried out?
I must agree that WIX and Purolator do make some pretty decent filters. That being said, when they rebrand to KIA OEM or whatever, they do not manufacture them to the same quality standard as the Puralator or WIX labelled brand, so just because company X makes filters for car company Y does not mean they are made to the same standard....and you can be assured that company X does not make a better quality filter for a subcontractor than it does for it's own namesake. Something to dwell on...

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Wouldn't best business practice ensure that the filter manufacturer maintain the highest standards when filling their contact orders with large vehicle manufacturers not to jeopardize business with what's most likely their largest customer?



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Just a few interesting facts about our cars country of origin.
 
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Well said Hillbilly, just what I have been saying.
Do you actually think the Koreans making 5 cents an hr are making products to USA standards? You think they make things to our standards, really? Come on. The ones working in those factories, most likely hate their jobs, because they are making so little and work 15 hrs a day, then hate their life, half ass what they make because of it.

There is obviously an issue with more free flowing filters allowing pressure drops in certain areas of the KIA engines and rather than actually put the time and effort in to engineer the engines so as to fix the problem, the band-aid is to put out a statement recommending the more restrictive OEM filter to keep pressure at a given level to prevent noises...
Right on, that is bullshit, I think this is the only time, I have ever heard a manufacturer say this. Had many cars in my time so far, not once had a service department ever have an issue with me using a aftermarket filter.
For most, they dont do their oil changes, so if they had to go to the dealer every time for their oil change (and pay the marked up 35-45 dollar oil change) just for that filter, thats crap.
 
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There is obviously an issue with more free flowing filters allowing pressure drops in certain areas of the KIA engines and rather than actually put the time and effort in to engineer the engines so as to fix the problem, the band-aid is to put out a statement recommending the more restrictive OEM filter to keep pressure at a given level to prevent noises

Most engines I have seen have the oil filter immediately downstream of the pump. The only pressure increase with a "restrictive filter" your going to see is at the pump only. If anything a less restrictive yet efficient filter is going to allow more oil to get to the engine and keep it lubricated. The designed tolerances of the bearings and pump in the engine are what determine the oil pressure. I have installed a large remote filter on my 03 and have none of the noises I read about on this forum so higher flows must not be a problem. I do get the typical start up tick if the engine has been setting for a week or more but that is just the lifters leaking down. I have used all sorts of aftermarket filters, Fram, STP, Tech 2000, Motorcraft, Purolator, and Wix.

I never had the high pitch squeal or whistle. People can bad mouth some filters all they want. That doesn't change the fact that if you overdrive your oil and filter you will have problems. If a filter company doesn't have "meets or exceeds" on their filter don’t buy it. I have been driving and working on cars for 40 years. I have yet to have an engine fail because of a filter related problem. They have a warranty. Use it. The filter companies want to sell their products. They want consumers to repeat buy. What makes you think they want a product that will not perform as stated? Thats not good business to make a product that fails consistantly.
 
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Do you have any references to support your suggestions that South Korea produce cheap knock-off stuff like China ? (LG, Samsung, ?)
LG, let me see, I bought a LG blueray player in march, guess what, it doesn't read discs anymore.
Cheap. YES, hell I still have a magnavox vcr that still works from the 80's.
Enough said there.
 
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Funny thing about that. I have a MAGNAVOX big yellow portable BOOM BOX Model D8300 (heavy tank of a thing, takes 8 D cells!) labled "MDHQ" "5 Speaker Sound System" on it. It is sitting in my garage (it plugs into the wall too with a removeable cord, instead of batteries) even thou it IS a collectors item for when I am working out there or on car. It has DUAL CASSETTES too! lol. And I bought it BACK in the early 80's to take to the BEACH in COLLEGE (tail end or just after grad) when I lived at the "JERSEY SHORE". And it can still kick butt! It is clearly labled MAGNAVOX Consumer Electronic Corp Knoxville TN. But the last laugh is on YOU, and I knew this all along too and never cared. It is clearly MARKED! Made in Singapore (China). :lol: Careful what you state and use as data for an argument. Now tell us where YOUR 80's VCR was made. I did. Enough said there right? ;)
 
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Another fun fact,

I will compaire, fit and finish with my 08 sportage, and compaire it with my wifes 07 saturn aura, she just bought 2 days ago

The sportage feels, WAY, way, way, cheaper, than that of the Saturn (uSA made), the materials of the sportage look, feel, way cheaper, than that of the saturn, my 08 makes so many creaks, and noises, compaired with the 07 saturn, yet, saturn is def. not a high end car, yet, easily feels more superior in quality, ride, refinment.

There is no compaison, and both cars have almost exactly the same mileage, I notice a HUGE difference in QUality.

US has been making cars for decades and decades, have had decades with less than good quality, but as it stands in the 00's, Kia is def. behind any us car maker as in quality.
Yes they have made things better since there start, but total quality is still way behind.

I thought the sportage had been a great quality car, until I drove that saturn, it blows away everything I thought about the quality of the sportage.
To me, it now feels like an econo box.
 
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Do you really think comparing a 07 Saturn Clone of a 07 era OPEL Vectra/Pontiac G6 (all three are GM Epsilon chassis),and were designed in Germany more or less with USA (GM GLOBAL) input much like a Toyota Camry is. But the AURA is built in KANSAS CITY KANSAS at the Fairfax Final Assembly Plant. Compared it to what amounts to a 08 KIA version of a Honda CRV or a Toyota RAV4 or Suzuki Vitara (not a GRAND VIT nor XL7) is wise here? Just wondering is all. :huh:

Why not compare it to a BMW Z3 built here in Spartainsburg SC or a MB E320/350 or old ML320/350 built in Altoona AL. The list goes on and on just like the 07 Chevy Malibu/SAAB 900 were both built on the GLOBAL Sigma chassis but not both built here in Louisville KY. Or the OPEL OMEGA/VAUXHALL OMEGA/CADDY CATERA/PONTIAC GTO/HOLDEN MONARO/HOLDEN COMMODORE are all on the same chassis too. And built all over the place from Germany to Autralia to Thialand to Russia to China.
 
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You can go against what the factory recommends, at your own peril, all you want. If you come to my dealer with a noise it cvvt related complaint that falls under the scope of any published info from Kia, I WILL require you to replace your oil filter before I proceed with diagnosis. Kia will, and has, backed, me in this.
 
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Last sentence.

In other words, won't look at it for the issue.

Thats not how it is supposed to work.

YOu need to prove, the "specified part" caused the said issue, which if you did not do a diagnosis, you do NOT know.

That goes under that act you showed, yourself. If you dont prove it, you gotta warrant. SOme will walk away, but ones who know, won't, guess they see less of won't fight it, and that, is what these dealers are banking on.

I am so glad, my dealer is not like this, thats bull..
 
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So without you proving the oil filter was the failure, your not gonna look at it.
THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT HAS TO PROVE THAT THE FILTER WAS THE ISSUE to not warrant, not the other way around. How you gonna prove that without looking at it? I wanna see how you do this one, thats would be about impossible to prove it. There are a lot of things that could affect oiling the engine, besides the filter.
What if you told that customer to do whatever you say you would, they do it bring it back, and turns out the pump was the issue? Then you would just say it was the filter and pump, or oil filter caused pump, bla, bla. Thats totally wrong. Really a pump couldn't go, or any parts associated with the oiling system, not counting the filter?

Glad your not my dealer.


The first thing is the word, recommends, this is not stated as HAS TO/MUST.Those 2 have different meanings, and recommends does not mean have to. Yes its reading between the lines, but is in line. Hell I bought my car new, asked dealer if I could do my own oil changes or bring it to an independent mechanic, said yes, just need receipts, there was no mention of using just KIA filters, none. There isn't any independent shops that would stock all OEM filters or even use them without charging more for you bringing the parts in.


This is why everyone here sees so so many complaints with Kia service. I bet you/your dealer would void for an intake also? With a filter that meets or exceeds OEM?

Thats just nit picky.

ALL DEALERS should be the same, which ones are doing the right thing? THe ones that are looking to void you over little things that really (like above), no one could prove, it was the actual cause? So if a CVVT came in with ANY oil issue, and they had an aftermarket filter on, your saying NO MATTER WHAT, even before you know if its the issue, GOING TO SAY THIS....... Just had to say it again, cause that is very wrong.
How do you know it was the filter without even looking at it? so your doing it wrong in my eyes, and I bet otheres tooo, Im not alone on that.

Mine has never had an issue with an aftermarket filter, or my intake, and gone so far as to talk about voidance, which they clearly stated, they would not have an issue so long as the filter is MEETING OEM standards. Might have to prove that myself with brand, packaging, date bought and installed along with mileage, even the old dealer I went to that was nit picky, never said anything about the filter I used, NEVER.

Just another dealer you dont want to go to, unless you wanna spend as much money maintaining it as it cost to buy.
I used to not have an issue the way Kia was kinda hard on things, but this, is taking it was to far. Well not Kia, some dealers that is.

Hiscan, please, please, dont read it as being whatever you want to call it, Im not, a good debate is what it is, dont take it another way, or I guess the wrong way.
 
#34 ·
If you tell a consumer "you must use OEM parts" to keep the warranty valid, the company has to provide them free.
You cannot void a warranty simply because they use aftermarket parts. The company must prove the part is at fault.
 
#35 ·
I don't take any if this personally.

Here is what usually happens at my dealer.
A customer comes in complaining of an abnormal noise. Upon my inspection I notice that this model is one of the ones susceptible to this plarticular noise. I also notice an aftermarket oil filter. After checking some other general health items I go to speak to the customer. I inform them that this is looking to be a case, as described by Kia, of a filter related problem. I show them the publication and help them understand exactly what I think is happening. If there are no other issues I present the customer with some options. 1: We will change your oil and filter to what we know to be correct. If after a suitable amount if time we are satisfied that the noise goes away or was not affected then either they, or us, will pay for the oil and filter change. 2: They decline and leave. I have had only a few people choose #2. The overwhelming majority choose #1 and the results are truely mixed.
Its all in the presentation. We NEVER threaten to void warranty or do any such thing. Our job on the service drive is to educate the customer and only let them make the call.
 
#36 ·
How would you handle a scenario like this if there's been engine damage related to the use of a filter that does not comply with the vehicle manufacturers specification ?
 
#38 ·
Is it likely that he decides against warranty cover on the engine in a case where the non-OEM filter is confirmed to be the route cause of the engine damage ?
 
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I show them the publication and help them understand exactly what I think is happening.
I will start here, how come as a consumer, I was not told this from the beginning, I would like to see this publication, BUT, if it changed how come we as the customer, have NOT been notified, officially by Kia of these changes?
Thats wrong, to say its ok, then years later say, oh wait a minute, there is a flaw in our CVVT engines and you NEED to use OEM, or...........

If it could..... cause severe, engine problems, we as a consumer, should know this, and be informed..... Period. We dont see these cars in and out like the dealers, yet, they know of the issue, but tell us when the problem occurs?

Come on...Thats shady buisness at the least.
 
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I have gotten 2 TSB notices on my sportage, if this is a TSB, how come we are not getting this letter?

Cobra, he stated he wont even look at it, until the customer, takes it away and comes back with an OEM filter, its quoted right above, that is what I am wondering. How can you just say, its the filter without investigating? Thats not fair.
Why is it up to the consumer, when we in the beginning were not told this?

Cobra, what your saying is, you will tell them about the tsb, make them change the oil, ven if not time. Now, what if they say yes, you do the change, and the noise is still there? The car didnt need the oil change, yet the consumer is paying for it, and it wasnt the said issue to begin with. Why not just investigate it first, before proceeding?
Have they actually taken the time to see if its a certain brand/design? Probably not, just saying EVERY one.
Not automatically say, oh, its the filter. I honestly cannot beleive every aftermarkert filter would cause this, they all have their own construction, and design. How would they all have the same effect?

And I am not upset, dont read it that way.... I am irratated that Kia would let the consumer stay in the dark about this issue, until it happens. Why not inform us like all TSB's and send a letter out?

Also, that noise could be the 5w20 oil. Or colder temps, elevation, ect. Or any part of the oiling system. Do they truely know, its aftermarket filters? Or the pumps become weak over time, and startups are a bit dry. If its only at startup, I wouldnt lean towards the filter.
How did they sum that one up? Could it be, at almost oil change time, the oil has broken down a little and starts making the noise? Does it happen right after installing the said aftermarket filter? Or nearing 3K+ miles, or have they even looked at that?
So, EVERY aftermarket filter will cause this, even though most aftermarket filters are constructed different.

Then it comes down to, if Kia is saying we HAVE to use this or cause damage, shouldn't they be picking up that bill, its their fault and did not tell us until years after purchase? Or at the very least, inform the consumers about it BEFORE, you go in for the noise, thats just not fair.
 
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Not sure whom you think you were talking to really. It is a full moon and all. But since I keep quoting you at the top of what I say I am sure you know I am addressing you right to start? Even if i then also mention someone else by name later in the post and comment to them on a related matter as a good segway. I have only one avatar name and it is 04SorentoLX and always has been. The only thing that has changed in over 5 years is Ruby Red 2003 Spectra LS/Bright Silver 2004 Sorento LX to Titanium 2010 SOUL +/Molten 2010 SOUL SPORT LIMITED EDITION in my profile. I am (was) a Parts an Service Warrenty Rep (not KIA), he Hi-Scan Pro is I am sure (from what I read) a KIA A-tech (aka Master Tech). Cobra259 is a Parts Dept Manager lest you get further confused 1fastkia. I see a interesting pattern emerging here. I have a very rarely used still profile on the VOLVO Forum from when I still had the Wine (merlot) 1991 744 Euro Spec and the Bright Red (tech said it looked like a emergency vech) 1996 965 (97 they were renamed V90's) thou. But that is all you will find for me anywhere. As the Dakota/Durango I was part of forum is defunct now as went my name for the 2002 Durango SXT there. Unless someone is commiting fraud in my name. Names and profiles can never be killed in a fuctioning forum, just go inactive. And getting two on the same forum is a black art for sure. Maybe you have one? You are not the one they called the SPECTRANATER are you? Hense why I am 04SorentoLX and own two SOUL's. ;)
 
#53 · (Edited)
Ok, why should the consumer, never be told to use a certain part, "or could cause engine damage" to begin with? I dont need your anwser, just saying.
Or if after at the very least, let them know.
I didnt direct it at you,
see the "Kia" not you.......

The only part I questioned is what I quoted, it said, won't look at it.

Taking this too deep in your head now......
Not questioning you on anything else, Just Kia. I didnt ask you to talk for them. Just mentioning it would be nice if they let their customers know. it makes repeat customers. But leave customers in the dark, who wants to come back.
 
#55 ·
Talk about resurrecting the dead or beating the proverbial dead horse...
This T.S.B. is nearly identical in its content to the one published by Hyundai some years ago.
It was geared towards the problem with a specific filter in the familiar orange can!
I have owned 7 Hyundais and every one of them has run a purolator oil filter from the 1st oil change till the last with an o.e.m. filter here or there when a bargain presented itself.
The real difference (I believe) is this...when push comes to shove on an engine/lubrication matter, you better have an o.e.m. filter on that car or one standing by with some dirty oil inside it ready to screw on or it is you (and I) who will be getting screwed!
You know...I know...we ALL know that quality after market filters exist as many/most of us have used them at 1 time or another.
Difference is...it is much easier to blame the after market filter then to own up to the problem and cover it under warranty.
I've only had my new Kia for a month or so but i can tell the dealer network is nowhere as strong as my past Hyundais!
When the fecal matter hits the oscillating device, you want to be up wind of both the smell and the shrapnel with an o.e.m. filter on your car.
I will run the o.e.m. filter on this car for the warranty period.
Not because I',m fearful of what an after market filter won't do but fearful of what a weak dealer network will do if given the chance.
Is o.e.m. the only choice, No!
Is o.e.m. the best choice, Perhaps!
Will it relieve any finger pointing and question of liability on lubrication related issues, I believe so!
 
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