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#1 (permalink) Old 11-25-2009, 03:46 PM
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Hey; be very, very careful when it comes to changing your own Kia oil and filter. The replacement filters listed in Wal Mart stores and Advance Auto parts stores are incorrect for the Kia Sophia and probably many other Kia models as well. The replacement filters are much too short and the end of the oil shaft actually gets sealed off when the filter is screwed in tightly. This results in NO oil being circulated via the pump to the rest of the engine. However the oil pressure light will not come on and you will have no indication of the problem until it is too late. My engine just blew a rod only two days after changing the oil. At first my mechanic thought it was a failed oil pump but we quickly verified that the pump was pumping fine. When we removed the filter, it contained no oil except for a round dot of oil where the shaft sealed up against the inside of the filter.
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That is an awful experience.

I have always gone directly to Kia for filters etc.

Maybe a couple of extra dollars up front but well worth it.
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Sorry about your engine. I run non genuine oil filters on my 2005 Cerato, but I have been lucky that I have found a generic brand that I am pretty sure is the same as the genuine right down to the code stamped into it.{ it is actually Korean made} The replacement filter on a my Cerato is a fram z79a or equivalent but I try to get filters with the same seal and hole pattern [ 8 hole vs 5 ] as original as z79a 's can very between brands. As you said always make sure to use the same length filter.

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Hey; be very, very careful when it comes to changing your own Kia oil and filter. The replacement filters listed in Wal Mart stores and Advance Auto parts stores are incorrect for the Kia Sophia and probably many other Kia models as well. The replacement filters are much too short and the end of the oil shaft actually gets sealed off when the filter is screwed in tightly. This results in NO oil being circulated via the pump to the rest of the engine. However the oil pressure light will not come on and you will have no indication of the problem until it is too late. My engine just blew a rod only two days after changing the oil. At first my mechanic thought it was a failed oil pump but we quickly verified that the pump was pumping fine. When we removed the filter, it contained no oil except for a round dot of oil where the shaft sealed up against the inside of the filter.
Never use the commercial application guides. Just go to the local parts store, its the same price, walmart has no price advantage to oil changes.
Ive never had a problem using a parts store. Hell the wiper guides at walmart are even incorrect.

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I've heard the Fram oil filters at walmart are not good on the 2G Kia Sportages as the threads I guess are too thin and I guess the oil pressure pushes it off. I dunno true or not, but I have a 2009 Kia Sportage V6 and just got 2 Purolator PureOne filters and picked up 5qts of Pennzoil Platinum and plan to do my first oil change on it sometime today.
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The replacement filters are much too short and the end of the oil shaft actually gets sealed off when the filter is screwed in tightly.
When I had a machinist turn an adapter for my remote oil filter to spin on the oil pad I measured the screw thread and length(21mm x 1.5) I believe. It only stuck out 1 ". I know the OEM and Fram replacement are about 3 inches deep. I don't see how the end of the filter could block the end of the pipe. I am not on here to start a Fram bashing post but I have been using them for about 35 years and have never had an engine fail because of oil problems.
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Champion Laboratories (which makes the SuperTech filter for Walmart) probably assumes the engine in the Sephia is a Hyundai 4 banger. It's not, but either a Mazda engine or the Mazda derived T8 motor depending on the model year. Somebody hasn't done their homework.

Oil filters and oil are like fine wine, everyone has a different opinion about which is best. I have to be honest that the few times I have used a Fram spin-on, nothing happened to my car. I do religiously change the oil and filter in my vehicles every 3,000 miles, and I think I read in Consumer Reports several years ago that it really didn't matter what brand of filter you used when serviced that frequently. Fram has been know to cut corners on filter construction and so I've adopted a "why take chances" approach. Since I've started buying Hyundai vehicles, there was a debacle about Fram mismatching flow rates and the bypass pressure requirement on Hyundai/Kia applications and Fram notoriously uses the least amount of filter material in their designs. If you are interested, there are several sites where filters are disassembled and the contents analyzed:

Oil Filters Revealed - MiniMopar Resources

Oil filter comparisons

Filter Comparisons

Motorcycle Oil Filter Comparison

None of these compare a Hyundai/Kia filter, but I think they do paint a pretty clear picture of what brands are made of. There is also a site on the web where someone did cut open a Hyundai spin-on and compared it to a Walmart Supertech Performance filter (which at the time was the better of the two filter styles made by Champion Labs). The Hyundai had more filter media and was a better made filter.

Found the Hyundai/Kia filter link:

http://www.elantraclub.com/forum/ind...showtopic=1409

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I've cut apart a number of filters. Fram is about the crappiest, most heavily advertised filter around.

I could rant on about "Made in India" garbage, but I'll stop & just say the WIX brand at NAPA has been the most consistant, best made filter I've seen.

I've seen a number of engines destroyed because of crappy Fram filters. One time, they got confused and made a batch of oil filters with air filter paper. Minimal flow. Other times, I've seen the filter paper all wadded up around the base. Always Fram.

As to the oil light, it depends on where it's located. If it's on the main gallery after the filter, where it should be, it will light when needed. If it's on the pump, before the filter, good luck.

Don't get me going on Fram.

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i have a 2003 kia spectra gsx and i have changed the oil in it for years now..and from what i have read i have to disagree with what ive read..i use the $8.97 fram oil filter and i use mobil 1 full synthetic oil..i have 130,000 and i baby it...its a 5-speed and i must say it gets well into the 30-something for gas milage..when it really comes down 2 all of what is posted here its how u treat ur kia..preventive maintenance goes a long ways..if you want 2 know more on this get back 2 me..
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there is nothing wrong with fram...i use the 7917 size rather than the ph6607 it calls for...the 7917 is a little bigger and it works just fine for me..i use the $8.97 filter...
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