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i'm new here so bear with me. i'm buying a 2005 spectra5 with 90k on saturday from a family member. car is currently in the shop getting a top half engine rebuild. i spoke to the mechanic today as i was concerned the timing belt hadn't been changed at 60k and the car wasn't being maintained. the mechanic said the belt had been changed but the timing chain "jumped" and damaged the pistons or whatever. he claimed the car has a timing belt AND a chain. sounds strange to me. can anyone verify?
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My bulls%#t detector just went off. You have a belt and a belt only sir.
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Actually your mechanic is correct...There is a timing chain on the oposite side of the engine from the exhaust cam to the intake cam...The timing belt drives the exhaust cam and the exhaust cam drives the intake cam via the timing chain.
I would be curious to know the miles on your engine... I have not read of this chain failing on any posting on this forum...
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Here's a picture of the head... with the chain between the cams
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-Y...G9rcWI1RGtGYWc
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90k miles. nice pic. sound plausable?
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btw, his mechanic, not mine.
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Like I said...I have not seen even one post on the chain failing on these engines.
They have gone 300k miles with out one breaking or "jumping" time.

If the car ran when you took it to the mechanic BEFORE the belt replacement was attempted...he damaged the engine.

The chain would have a much harder time jumping a tooth (or more) and I'd believe he (the mechanic) had the new belt wrong when he tried to start the car AFTER he replaced the belt. It would be hard to PROVE he did the damage though. If you don't get it right the first time there is no second chance...you bend/break valves and possibly damage the pistons and cylinder walls.

Before putting a lot of money into this engine search "car-part.com" and ebay for a low mileage engine (under 40k).. The good thing about this car is that the engines are available and at excellent prices ($500~550) and you end up with a low mileage engine.

I'd change the engine and most definitely the mechanic. The car is worth repairing.
Be sure the new engine has a NEW belt also before installing it in the car.
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i'm buying this from my brother's father in law. this is his mechanic, a munro muffler shop. i was surprised they would do a top half rebuild. he said the timing belt had been changed previously and said it was a napa belt, which makes me think he did not change it. the father in law did say he has been taking his cars to this guy for ten years and trusts him but father inlaw is 78 years old.

car driven by fil's grand daughter past 6 years until she got a new car. to prepare for sale, 6 weeks ago fil had the following work done. 4 new tires, brakes all around and new front rotors, wheel alignment, new battery, tranny flush. then car sat for 6 weeks while fil looked for buyer. i agreed to purchase sight unseen for $3k. great deal i figured. the day before i was to make the 2.5 hour drive to pick up car, mechanic tried to move car from rear lot to the front for me to pick up. it would not start. later, fil told me about chain and rebuild. allegedly, mechanic is giving him a break from $1900 to $1200. of that, i have to pick up $500, bringing my buying price up to $3500. car is pretty clean from the few pics i got. also black, my fave.

now i'm getting a little nervous and called mechanic directly. he explained about chain and all recent work done so i decided to proceed with purchase.
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just put another motor in it. it will be cheaper and atleast you would have lower miles. like Dave said engines for the spectras are reletively cheap and easy to install. i replaced my trans i paid 530 for it at the local junkyard with 33xxx miles on it and it runs great. and when i called about the engine they told me about 500 plus tax also with 33xxx miles.
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WOW. Ya learn something new everyday!. I have never seen anything indicatig there is a chain. Thanks for the info Dave.
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