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Hello gentlemen of the forum (and ladies of course), I am not a Rio owner just yet, but I am thinking about trading in my current car (a '09 Toyota Yaris) for a new Rio. What are your thoughts and experiences with the current model line-up?
My wife has had 3 Kia vehicles so far, and they have all been great in terms of reliability and quality.
I am especially impressed by the powertrain. Modern 1.6L, dual VVT with direct injection, 137HP with a 6-speed transmission...sounds like a rocket compared to my current car .(1.5L, 106HP, 4 -speed auto)
At any rate, i'm very curious to see how these cars have been holding up since i've heard they've been refreshed in 2012. My previous test drives with the 2nd gen. Rios were sub-par to say the least...

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id wait for the 2018 rio
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id wait for the 2018 rio
Wow! No kidding! It almost looks like an Audi.
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Wow! No kidding! It almost looks like an Audi.
not surprising when the head designer (Peter Schreyer) for Kia used to work for VW/Audi, he was behind many of their iconic designs
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Wow! No kidding! It almost looks like an Audi.
id probably wait as well, but you might be able to swing a good deal on a 17 in the interim if cost is an issue
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I have 80k on the motor in my Rio and so far the driveline has been perfectly fine despite some design flaws (pcv to name a big one). Specifically on the 3rd gen Rios there seems to be a common caliper issue on the rear that seems to be hit and miss - but more hit than miss.
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I have 80k on the motor in my Rio and so far the driveline has been perfectly fine despite some design flaws (pcv to name a big one). Specifically on the 3rd gen Rios there seems to be a common caliper issue on the rear that seems to be hit and miss - but more hit than miss.
Thanks for the reply! Now you got me curious, is the PCV system design an issue only on the Rio? Or is that the case with all of the GDi engines? Me and my wife have previously had a 2014 Forte and i can't say we ran into any real issues with the driveline/powertrain at 60k km. Hopefully our new 2017 Soul we traded it in for is just as, if not more solid. :-)

Also, caliper issue? Tell me more! My current car has rear drums, so I was thinking a rear disk upgrade might be just about bullet-proof compared to having to clean and re-ajust my drums ever 10k-15k km because the "automatic" self-adjusters on the shoes are not keeping proper tension on the drum, and slack off over time...
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So first the PCV on their GDi sucks. lots of us run an oil catch can. The ones who say its useless will be paying the buku bucks for the valve cleaning before they know it. The PCV is a tiny little valve with zero filter media and the pcv on the valve cover is higher than the spot it connects to the intake so it sucks oil into the intake more than it should. This is with all Kia GDi motors.

Caliper issue is one of the rear calipers is going to get stuck engaged and eat through brake pads at a ridiculous rate. I bought my car and had the inspection done and the pads were 6mm front, 5mm rear. I brought it back the next week for the oil change and it was 6mm front, 5mm rear right inner/outer, 5mm rear left outer, 0.6mm rear left inner. They replaced the caliper and pads. This happened 3 times before I did it myself and I havnt had an issue in many miles.

Dont forget that with all the GDi motors you are REQUIRED to use premium fuel otherwise it will knock and then they reflash your ecu with some permanent eco mode stuff that SUUCCKKKKKSSSSSSS and then the upsell on the fuel system cleaner every oil change (They charge $60 to put a bottle of chevron techron concentrate in the tank). So premium fuel, and proper synthetic oil or you will have deposits build up in the engine after a while since it is GDi and the fuel doesnt spray the valves to clean them.
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So first the PCV on their GDi sucks. lots of us run an oil catch can. The ones who say its useless will be paying the buku bucks for the valve cleaning before they know it. The PCV is a tiny little valve with zero filter media and the pcv on the valve cover is higher than the spot it connects to the intake so it sucks oil into the intake more than it should. This is with all Kia GDi motors.

Caliper issue is one of the rear calipers is going to get stuck engaged and eat through brake pads at a ridiculous rate. I bought my car and had the inspection done and the pads were 6mm front, 5mm rear. I brought it back the next week for the oil change and it was 6mm front, 5mm rear right inner/outer, 5mm rear left outer, 0.6mm rear left inner. They replaced the caliper and pads. This happened 3 times before I did it myself and I havnt had an issue in many miles.

Dont forget that with all the GDi motors you are REQUIRED to use premium fuel otherwise it will knock and then they reflash your ecu with some permanent eco mode stuff that SUUCCKKKKKSSSSSSS and then the upsell on the fuel system cleaner every oil change (They charge $60 to put a bottle of chevron techron concentrate in the tank). So premium fuel, and proper synthetic oil or you will have deposits build up in the engine after a while since it is GDi and the fuel doesnt spray the valves to clean them.
Interesting info regarding the PCV system. Very informative! I guess it really is an inhearent problem with these direct injected engines.
I can see why catch-can would be beneficial, but they also bring together more maintenance, such as regular draining of the accumulated oil, not to mention potencial warranty issues.
Still, if so many people really are complaining about this system, and have experienced problems with it, i'm sure Kia would have adressed them in later engine revisions, if they felt it necessary.
In my case, all the service, recall and/or warranty work that will be done at the dealer, so if any problems or issues do come up, they will have all records of them.
As for the caliper issue, thank you for letting me know! That wear rate is just plain crazy!! I will definitly keep an eye out for it. Did you end up replacing it with an aftermarket caliper? If so, what brand did you end up going with?
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