If we accept the mileage rebate card, do we waive any rights?

[duhtroll]

At the time of my purchase, the KIA Sportage 2.4L FWD was the top rated vehicle in its class (meaning small SUV, not a hatchback - the Prius argument is apples to oranges) and price range for MPG.

Compare Vehicles: 2012 Kia Sportage vs. 2012 Toyota Prius

So yeah, the MPG- even 1 or 2 - makes a very clear difference. I don't understand why some can't accept that as a deciding factor for buying a vehicle, or understand why people would feel slighted by the false initial MPG calculations.

Understand I am not unhappy with KIA's decision and I think it is about time a company stepped up and admitted its faults. It keeps me driving their products longer. I really enjoy the vehicle but I was initially somewhat miffed that the MPG didn't pan out the way it was supposed to. Add to that the people on here telling me I didn't know how to calculate mileage and it didn't help the situation.

I'm happy with the extra cash and don't plan on participating in a class action, though IIRC those class actions are "opt out" vs "opt in" anyway.

Originally Posted by WISporatgeSX

Then you didn't look hard enough. The are a lot more advantages for the Sportage and other manufacturers have theirs too. If the fuel usage was key for you, then there are a lot more vehicles out there that would have given you more advantages. Check out the Prius. And if that doesn't meet your needs, then you must have had other criteria and advantages that you looked at. So basing it all on the MPG isn't a very strong argument.

And guess what? Kia is giving you a gas card that will probably equal $125 each year. So you are all set.

And if $125 dollars a year really hurts your pocket, then you probably shouldn't have bought a new car and saved some money and bought a used car. The depreciation alone is more than that. $125 split out across 12 months equals $10.42 per month. Seriously? I can spend that on a couple of beers after work...

[cloud9utk]

Originally Posted by duhtroll

I am not unhappy with KIA's decision and I think it is about time a company stepped up and admitted its faults.

I feel like i am arguing at a wall when i say this, and we'll just go around the bitchy-go-round again, but ISN'T THAT WHAT THE REBATE IS?!?

from kiampginfo.org:

"At Kia, we value our customers, and building long-term, trust-based relationships with our owners is the foundation of our business. We are committed to being transparent about our revised fuel economy ratings and responsive to customer concerns. That’s why we have established this site to provide accurate and up-to-date information about the vehicles involved and our reimbursement program. We are as dedicated as ever to ensuring our vehicles deliver outstanding fuel economy in order to provide greater value and efficiency."

furthermore,

"Message from Kia Motors CEO Byung Mo Ahn

Thank you for visiting www.KiaMPGinfo.com.

As you may have learned, Kia has initiated a program to reduce the fuel economy ratings for select vehicles. Kia is committed to providing consumers with complete and accurate information, and on behalf of all Kia team members and dealers across the country I sincerely apologize for the procedural misinterpretations and errors that led to this action.

We are a responsible company, and our singular focus is to take care of everyone impacted by this situation, which includes current and former owners of 2011-2012 model year Optima Hybrids, and 2012-2013 model year Rios, Souls and Sportages, and certain 2012-2013 model year Sorentos equipped with GDI engines.

We are taking the following steps to immediately address this situation:

Correcting the fuel economy ratings for the affected 2011-2013 models and relabeling affected vehicles currently in showrooms;
Compensating all current and former owners of affected vehicles to cover for added fuel costs associated with the MPG ratings adjustments; and
Launching a proactive communication campaign to inform and educate consumers, including both advertisements and the information found on this website.
At Kia, every member of the organization is charged with doing his or her part to ensure continuous improvement and pursue the shared goal of becoming the best and most innovative automotive company in the U.S.

We remain steadfast in our pursuit of that goal, as well as our ongoing commitment to you.


Sincerely,

Byung Mo Ahn,
Group President and CEO
Kia Motors America"

So what exactly is it that you CURRENTLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED BY KIA/HYUNDAI?

Furthermore, you state that you are "miffed" at them, and imply that if you had known about the 1mpg less, you would have bought another vehicle. Many have challenged your implication that that OTHER company would be as honest and forthwith with you as KIA/HYUNDAI. We all seriously doubt their interest in being as honest as KIA/HYUNDAI. And most of us believe that even IF they were proven to have been dishonest, the damaged owners would not receive ONE RED CENT back from them. Sure they would pay fines, but no CMAX owners are gonna get a rebate. And those that agree with what i said, base that belief on their experience with other Manufacturers.

Also, if this was a matter of 5-10 mpg, then we would be right there with you. But this is ONE MILE PER GALLON. I guarantee you the ERROR IN ACCURACY of the rating is greater than that, and therefore THERE IS NO ISSUE. But instead, KIA's stance is "we aren't gonna hide in the gray area, our clients deserve better than that. we are going to issue the amount we are wrong, as a token gesture to help them feel better about their purchase."

I challenge you to find another manufacturer that would do the same.

Now, if you excuse me.. Conductor, I'd like to get off this crazy train to no where.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by xylene

You're funny. The only reason why there is the issue is because a corporation lied and deceived hundreds of thousands of consumers and couldn't get completely away with it...

The true travesty is that the prius buying tree huggers do not understand their prius has caused more pollution and environmental issues/devastations just in the production of the batteries than my '12 5000# VW Touareg TDI will over its useful running life... Oh and because I am so concerned about the fuel economy it is so sad that I can run the highways in comfort at 70+ mph and still pull in low 30mpgs'... My worst fuel economy in the Touareg is still better then the best I can get in the sportage...

It’s not always about the money…

I try to bring the laughs when I can.

That said, I just don't see the big deal, that's all. I mean hey, if they were off by one or two MPGs and they want to make amends by doing what they're doing, fine. I would never join in on a lawsuit or even ask to be compensated because it isn't the end of the world. I mean the way some people are whining about this, you would think Kia execs killed their first born with an ice pick!

Congrats on the good MPGs with the VW. It is a diesel, not a direct comparison but hey, whatever makes you happy. I don't get 32mpgs in my SX, doubt I ever will and I couldn't care less. Now if it starts getting 10mpgs, we will have a problem.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by cloud9utk

Furthermore, you state that you are "miffed" at them, and imply that if you had known about the 1mpg less, you would have bought another vehicle.

I can see it now.....

"well this car gets 32mpgs and this one gets 31........man, that will hurt the pockets, better get that extra one mpg!"

[xylene]

Originally Posted by cloud9utk

OHH MY GOD! CORPORATIONS LIE!?!? These capitalist bastards are willing to tell me anything and manipulate data to get my money!

Are you telling me that some HEARTLESS, SOULLESS business is only after my money and not about being friends?!?

But i thought that when i paid for something, that meant the guys that sold it are my buddies and buddies don't lie to each other. To think that after all that, they would overestimate the mileage by 1 mpg! THE NERVE! And then, they had the temerity admit to it, and want to TRY to make it up to me by PAYING ME BACK, in (plastic) cash, AS LONG AS I HAVE THE VEHICLE?!?

THOSE SNEAKY BASTARDS!

/s

You must be new around here. Welcome to America!

But seriously, if you were all about mileage, you should have got a prius. And if you are surprised that any company, LET ALONE AUTO MANUFACTURERS, would have any qualms about elaborating on the truth or just straight up manipulating the data, then you are gonna have a tough time here on earth.

It's a dog eat dog world out there. Woof.

Enjoy the maintenance bills on the Touareg, i hear the shipping is almost more than the service rate. And you'll probably only need to wait a week or so to get them in. Also, if your DIESEL is only getting 30mpg at 70mph, you aren't doing something right. They usually get 40's to 50's, at least, according to the commercials. VW lies too, guy.

If it's not about the money, then WHAT IS THIS WHOLE THREAD ABOUT?!?

Welcome to America... No, I have been around for a while but thank you for reminding me that most do not know how to read... (I'm just teasing ) I have a Touareg not a Jetta. If I was to drive at 65 I get about 37mpg, which is extremely impressive for such a heavy vehicle, especially when it's only rated for 28 highway. I am not worried about maintenance on the Touareg. Service is covered for 3 years and after that I will continue to maintain the vehicle myself as I do with all my other vehicles. The warranty on my vehicle is also covered for 10 years bumper to bumper. And if something truly goes wrong they provide a comparable loaner. The parts are the same as Audi Q7’s, most of the Q5 and the Cayenne…

The way I look at the rebate is that each year it is enough for me to change the oil twice with Mobil 1 and kia filters… Which I would have to do anyway…

So once again, the reason for us purchasing a sportage was much more than fuel economy. It was the features, the price for all of those features, how well it drives in the snow, the zip if one needed to get on it, the nice long powertrain and bumper to bumper warranty, styling, and last the fuel economy for a vehicle in this category... With this vehicle purchase, with all the comparisons and research I did, the sportage came out in front with the features we required… and if I really wanted to save on fuel, I would bought the basic 4 banger sportage…

I wonder what those poor Soul owners are bitching about...

[duhtroll]

Originally Posted by cloud9utk

I feel like i am arguing at a wall when i say this, and we'll just go around the bitchy-go-round again, but ISN'T THAT WHAT THE REBATE IS?!?

I'd reply more thoroughly to your post, but since it is based on attitude derived from NOT reading my post (and certainly misunderstanding it) I don't see the need for most of what I would say.

You even quoted it. What does "not unhappy with their decision" mean to you?

Originally Posted by cloud9utk

So what exactly is it that you CURRENTLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED BY KIA/HYUNDAI?

Nothing, which if you had read my post instead of projecting, you'd realize.

But hey, caps lock is the cruise control for awesome, so go for it.

Originally Posted by cloud9utk

Furthermore, you state that you are "miffed" at them, and imply that if you had known about the 1mpg less, you would have bought another vehicle.

No, I said I WAS miffed at them, initially. I had gotten over it even before the rebate thing came around.

Originally Posted by cloud9utk

Many have challenged your implication that that OTHER company would be as honest and forthwith with you as KIA/HYUNDAI. We all seriously doubt their interest in being as honest as KIA/HYUNDAI. And most of us believe that even IF they were proven to have been dishonest, the damaged owners would not receive ONE RED CENT back from them. Sure they would pay fines, but no CMAX owners are gonna get a rebate. And those that agree with what i said, base that belief on their experience with other Manufacturers.

Um, I have no idea with whom you are arguing here. I made no such implication.

Originally Posted by cloud9utk

Also, if this was a matter of 5-10 mpg, then we would be right there with you. But this is ONE MILE PER GALLON. I guarantee you the ERROR IN ACCURACY of the rating is greater than that, and therefore THERE IS NO ISSUE. But instead, KIA's stance is "we aren't gonna hide in the gray area, our clients deserve better than that. we are going to issue the amount we are wrong, as a token gesture to help them feel better about their purchase."

My vehicle's difference IS more than 1 MPG. Significantly. KIAs admission is 2 MPG for my vehicle (according to their website for the 2013 estimates) and my vehicle shows more than that in difference, also.

Is that ideal? No. Is it what I think is accurate? Still no. Am I satisfied that the company made ANY admission at all? Yep.

Originally Posted by cloud9utk

I challenge you to find another manufacturer that would do the same.

Now, if you excuse me.. Conductor, I'd like to get off this crazy train to no where.

Better check your ticket. You put yourself on the wrong train.

[duhtroll]

First of all, you are "me too-ing" someone who didn't even pay attention to my post. The "me too" only works if you are on the right track. See previous.

Secondly, all else being equal/comparable in vehicle decisions, what kind of moron would NOT choose the vehicle with the higher mileage rating?

And just for the record, anyone who thinks they get to tell someone else why they have bought or should buy a vehicle (or what reasons are/were primary in their decision) has some issues.

EDIT: I will say again...

At the time of my purchase, the KIA Sportage 2.4L FWD was the top rated vehicle in its class (meaning small SUV, not a hatchback - the Prius argument is apples to oranges) and price range for MPG.

If you think that the above statement is invalid, I'll entertain your reasons why, if there are any.

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

I can see it now.....

"well this car gets 32mpgs and this one gets 31........man, that will hurt the pockets, better get that extra one mpg!"

[cloud9utk]

Alright, i ranted because i missed the "not" that reversed the message of everything that came after. Might have been an edit, but whatever. SORRY.

Originally Posted by duhtroll

Secondly, all else being equal/comparable in vehicle decisions, what kind of moron would NOT choose the vehicle with the higher mileage rating?

And just for the record, anyone who thinks they get to tell someone else why they have bought or should buy a vehicle (or what reasons are/were primary in their decision) has some issues.

I can agree with this statement, except some of the stuff that fits under "all else being equal/comparable" is subjective. And because of that you might run aground on this "And just for the record, anyone who thinks they get to tell someone else why they have bought or should buy a vehicle (or what reasons are/were primary in their decision) has some issues."

Example, the escape has everything this car has, and it is "rated" at a higher mpg. All those things being equal, it's a better deal (ie same cash for better mpg), but it's a FORD and i fucking hate fords. i know that they likely use the same retarded monkeys to design things as they did back in the ranger days. That was their best selling vehicle and not only did they cancel it, but 2/3 of the powertrain options were "disposable" and pretty much all the 2.4L and 3.0L versions are rusting out in a dump somewhere.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by duhtroll

First of all, you are "me too-ing" someone who didn't even pay attention to my post. The "me too" only works if you are on the right track. See previous.

Secondly, all else being equal/comparable in vehicle decisions, what kind of moron would NOT choose the vehicle with the higher mileage rating?

And just for the record, anyone who thinks they get to tell someone else why they have bought or should buy a vehicle (or what reasons are/were primary in their decision) has some issues.

EDIT: I will say again...

At the time of my purchase, the KIA Sportage 2.4L FWD was the top rated vehicle in its class (meaning small SUV, not a hatchback - the Prius argument is apples to oranges) and price range for MPG.

If you think that the above statement is invalid, I'll entertain your reasons why, if there are any.

It is a few MPGs bro, my point is that some of you guys are acting like babies about it. It isn't that big of a deal, really.

[Pineconekia]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

It is a few MPGs bro, my point is that some of you guys are acting like babies about it. It isn't that big of a deal, really.

Guess $600 is no big deal to you then. That is clear. But to folks like myself who buy a compact car the primary reason is the fuel economy. Unless of course you live in a metro city where parking space is severely limited. Not the case in rural Maine, where I live.

So we make our purchase decision on which car we can afford that won't cost extra to fill up the tank every week.
Every week for 5-6 years until it's time to replace it.
With gas prices we cannot control.

In 2006 I bought a new Pontiac Vibe because of it's size, utility and fuel economy. Gas prices were under 2 bucks. When I sold it to buy the Sportage the gas price had more than doubled to just under 4 bucks.
Who the hell knows what the price will be for us six years from now. If it doubles again that 2 mpg will be even more important to me and the many others who bought a car with certain expectations on it's fuel economy.

I'm not typing this for your sake, I'm convinced that you and even some KIA employees that post here don't care so much about the mpg ratings. $600 over the span of time I'll probably own this car means a lot to me and all the others who can do math and didn't make their purchase choice based on the style of the cupholders or the pretty lights in the side view mirrors.

Bro.


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