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#11 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 01:14 AM
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The lawsuit is ridiculous. The Judge Judy gif is still most appropriate.

Joking aside, there is not much grounds to file the lawsuit against Kia. Its some money hungry law firm taking advantage of people that feel wronged by Kia/Hyundai.

Did Kia lie? No. They had mis-calculated an estimate. Kia/Hyundai did not have all appropriate information when calculating their mileage estimates. This went unchecked in North America for years before it was picked up. Hyundai/Kia rely on feedback just like any other company; if you dont tell them there is an issue they wont know. That is what has happened in NA for such a time. Hyundai/Kia and probably many other manufacturers are now going to be at the hands of unregulated legislation. Hyundai/Kia may be the first but they wont be the last.

Parts of the lawsuit also have no ground with Kia; the customers on leases/hire purchase. Those owners have to take up a separate claim with their financial institutions. These customers have the possibility of getting a counter claim for breach of contract.

Is fuel economy the sole factor in resale value?? Not by a long shot. There are countless factors that contribute to a cars resale value, fuel economy is not very high on the list. Its a desirable selling point but its not the only feature of the car. Car popularity, equipment levels, rarity, colour, region (where you live), origin (where the car came from), who drove it and where.. Many factors.

Fuel economy estimate being out will have little effect on resale value.

If owning the Kia Rio is so bad and you cant handle being seen in such a contraption from Hades himself then sell the damn thing. The car is very popular, stock levels are low, waiting lists are high. Someone will gladly take it off your hands and actually be happy in owning it.

At the end of the day, there is still nothing wrong with the car. Car still functions the same. It doesn't operate any differently. Its still using the same mileage as before. Only estimate was mis-calculated. There is nothing physically/mechanically wrong with the car.
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Did Kia lie? No. They had mis-calculated an estimate. Kia/Hyundai did not have all appropriate information when calculating their mileage estimates. This went unchecked in North America for years before it was picked up. Hyundai/Kia rely on feedback just like any other company; if you dont tell them there is an issue they wont know. That is what has happened in NA for such a time. Hyundai/Kia and probably many other manufacturers are now going to be at the hands of unregulated legislation. Hyundai/Kia may be the first but they wont be the last.
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I would have to respectfully disagree with the statement there. Yes, I would agree that Kia didn't lie per se and they DID mis-calculate an estimate. But you can't say that Kia didn't have all appropriate information when calculating their mileage estimates. and to be honest, you don't know this for sure. When you're the manufacturer, how hard is it to get information on your own product. NOW, whether not they USED the information they have is a different story.
Same goes with "Kia rely on feedback just like any other company". To a certain extent that is true, but there's also something called due diligence. I would say this is where Kia is guilty. They should have double checked their homework before handing it in (or out in this case).

I do agree though that mileage is rarely a deciding factor when buying a used car. I wouldn't even be able to tell what the last 2-3 cars that I bought used FEs were.

Chances are, people would forget all about this in 3-4 years when you go to sell it anyways..
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I believe what has been said is that MPG MAY affect resale value. The bigger issue is cost of ownership. Simply put, the affected cars are going to cost more to operate than expected. Kia skewed the numbers to make the cost of ownership appear lower. They have a responsibility to perform the tests properly and provide accurate information based on the tests. Nobody can deny that fuel economy is a major factor in new car purchase.

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I agree with TJ85, very well put, check this out

Will fallout from Hyundai and Kia's L/100KM issues hurt resale values?
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I worry less about fuel efficiency (due to the irregular terrain I drive in) than I do about reliability (due to the amount of miles, and the distances, I drive). I over-estimate my fuel costs for my trips, due to the fact that I carry a lot of crap, and I'm usually in hilly terrain...and trying to keep up with traffic so I don't get run over.
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I worry less about fuel efficiency (due to the irregular terrain I drive in) than I do about reliability ...
+1. Reliability and functionality are much more important than MPGs. If it gets good mileage also, that's a bonus.
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well lets hope my first kia is reliable... becasue i was sceptical about buying a kia after i was part of the hyundai hp scandal years ago... now its a mileage scandal! i just have bad luck!
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btw... of course kia lied... thats what you do to sell more cars.. in the end, only about 20% of the people will get gas money back becasue they care that much... others dont. Just like the hp on the tiburon in 2002... oversize it, apologize after, and your set... in the end, the lie helped you sell more cars.
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btw... of course kia lied... thats what you do to sell more cars.. in the end, only about 20% of the people will get gas money back becasue they care that much... others dont. Just like the hp on the tiburon in 2002... oversize it, apologize after, and your set... in the end, the lie helped you sell more cars.
That's what I don't like about this whole thing: I've been lied. Even by 0.3L, I've been lied and it makes me think that I may have been lied on other aspects of the car. Probably non-important but a small lie is a lie. I can only be sure that other automakers lie too. Bizarre world.

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well lets hope my first kia is reliable... becasue i was sceptical about buying a kia after i was part of the hyundai hp scandal years ago... now its a mileage scandal! i just have bad luck!
This is my second Kia...the first being an '03 Spectra GS, traded in at 6 years and 127,000+ miles for an '05 Mustang ragtop. Big mistake.
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