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I picked up a Maintenance Schedule from the dealer the other day, and for 45000 miles they list:

Full Service Oil Change
Fuel and Emissions System Cleaner (like GumOut Regane/etc?)
Engine Oil System Cleaner (Seafoam in the crankcase before the drain?)
Rotate Tires
Induction Service (would that be like Seafoam through the PCV or Brake booster line?)
Throttle Body Service
Synthetic Transmission Conditioner
Clean and Adjust rear brakes (I think they need it about now...)
Multi Point Inspection (to see what else we can tack onto the bill?)

For a total of 269.95.

What's the public opinion of this? Is this necessary? I bought the 08 Optima used at ~32k so I'm tempted to take it in for the first major inspection...but that's quite a bit of cash....is there any "aftermarket" or "DIY" alternative?

And well, from what I read in my manual "additives" seemed to be a "no-no" in the gas and/or crankcase....so why are they using them?

Not to mention the induction service, mentioned nowhere in the manual at all; but from what I read, it seems similar to the 2-Step GumOut fuel injector cleaning and/or the BG44K treatment, or the classic DIY; Seafoam... where they hook the intake up to an "IV drip" thing and clean up the intake.
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I don't really think that the throttle body would really need more than a clean with a rag , modern fuels don't leave much varnish buildup so injectors stay pretty good normally [ maybe run some injector cleaner in the fuel now and again]. If you have been giving the car regular oil changes the oiling system really should not need cleaning. I have run cars over 300000km without cleaning out oilways with no problems as long as you change the oil, the high detergent oils do a good job of keeping things clean internally. Emission systems I don't know what they would clean, maybe replace fuel tank air vent filter. Automatic gearboxes could do with a service at that milage. Tyre rotation is normal.

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Plenty of threads on the subject on this forum but look at the owner's manual under normal service and adhere to that schedule as the dealer is in it for the money, not to help you.
If you followed the dealer’s recommendation it would cost you a fortune to own the car.

You'll find this is the 45,000 mile requirement:
Change Engine oil
Change Engine oil filter
Change Climate control air filter

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Turbonut is right on the money, a dealer will "service" you blind if you let 'em!

Check your manual, stick to your guns, and don't let them add or do anything that your uncomfortable with. Most "service" packages are add-on heavy and designed for that 'leave and forget it' vehicle driver. Where they feel safe and trust the dealership to have their best interest at heart 24/7... yeah right!

If you can't find you manual or schedule look at http://www.kiatechinfo.com for all the info you could shake a stick at!
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Well not to start a fight with what Turbonut and Buruko are saying about the dealers (because I'd like to keep this thread on topic), but any shop is in it for the money. The only 2 differences (besides cost) of Bubba's garage and the dealer is that at small shops, you typically talk to the guy fixing the car, not a "service manager", and the dealer will typically know everything about you car (there are exceptions). I mean who knows the Kia product better than the guy who works on them day in and day out.

Ok so now that I've given my 2 cents, I think they are tacking on some extra items to your estimate. Our 45K service here (which should be pretty much identical to the 15K is as follows:

Oil + filter change, engine air filter, fuel injection/throttle body service.

A brake inspection wouldn't hurt, like you mentioned. Rotate the tires only if needed. With regular oil changes, you shouldn't ever hace to perform an "oil flush". We recommend the trans service at 30K, so assuming it was done at or near 30K, you're fine until 60K. And we also do a free multi-point inspection. And contrary to popular belief, it really is free. It's there to inform you of things that may be wrong with your vehicle, so that you know. If you get the work performed, great, if not, no big deal. Like everyone else is mentioning, follow the owners manual. (although I just did a fuel injection/t-body cleaning on my 2004 Optima, it runs a lot better, you wouldn't believe how much sh*t got cleaned out. But, I also have 100K on my car).

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@mattybyzf I agree you can find some dealerships that will take care of you and treat with some respect from time to time, but I've never had a 'service manager' ever know what I was talking about, I'd always have to get to the 'shop manager' to really get anywhere, cause he is the joe that is working on them day in and day out. I like talking to the guy that knows what he's doing, not some guy who's going to pass on information and hope for the best.
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Well not to start a fight with what Turbonut and Buruko are saying about the dealers (because I'd like to keep this thread on topic), but any shop is in it for the money. The only 2 differences (besides cost) of Bubba's garage and the dealer is that at small shops, you typically talk to the guy fixing the car, not a "service manager", and the dealer will typically know everything about you car (there are exceptions). I mean who knows the Kia product better than the guy who works on them day in and day out.

Ok so now that I've given my 2 cents, I think they are tacking on some extra items to your estimate. Our 45K service here (which should be pretty much identical to the 15K is as follows:

Oil + filter change, engine air filter, fuel injection/throttle body service.

A brake inspection wouldn't hurt, like you mentioned. Rotate the tires only if needed. With regular oil changes, you shouldn't ever hace to perform an "oil flush". We recommend the trans service at 30K, so assuming it was done at or near 30K, you're fine until 60K. And we also do a free multi-point inspection. And contrary to popular belief, it really is free. It's there to inform you of things that may be wrong with your vehicle, so that you know. If you get the work performed, great, if not, no big deal. Like everyone else is mentioning, follow the owners manual. (although I just did a fuel injection/t-body cleaning on my 2004 Optima, it runs a lot better, you wouldn't believe how much sh*t got cleaned out. But, I also have 100K on my car).
Not to throw stones, but under normal driving, which captures the greatest percentage of people, Kia doesn't even recommend a trans fluid change, not even at 100K.

To me, dealers are a different breed, regardless of the manufacturer. They sell the car and most customers will return to that dealership for warranty work and look at the dealership, not the factory recommended schedules, that are posted all over the area. The independent isn't going to try and gouge you for all the extras when the vehicle is being serviced, only if they spot something that is deficient. Take it into am independent for an oil/filter change, and that's what you'll get, no rediculous add ons.
The dealership from which I purchased our Kia has a bargain $495 50K service. What a rip-off.

Been around a long time and have had a great deal of contact with many, many dealerships, but to me, if the dealerships were above board, they would list the services as required by Kia Corp, not a list of services that are unwarranted. Even our Acura TL, the dealership service schedule is ridiculous.

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#1. Full Service Oil Change. Do it your self. It gets done right and you know its done

#2. Fuel and Emissions System Cleaner (like GumOut Regane/etc?). You remove the air cleaner hose and spray down the TB then wipe out excess. Do with #6

#3. Engine Oil System Cleaner (Seafoam in the crankcase before the drain?) Put a 1/2-qt of trans fluid in the crankcase and drive gently around the block until operating temp is achieved. Then Do #1

#4 Rotate Tires. DIY

#5. Induction Service (would that be like Seafoam through the PCV or Brake booster line?)

#6. Throttle Body Service See #2

#7. Synthetic Transmission Conditioner. What the heck is that? Even if it's the Kia Red you probably only have to do a drain and fill. Should not be more than 4 qts. Do it at the same time your doing #1.

#8. Clean and Adjust rear brakes (I think they need it about now...) I think they are self-adjusting. The E-brake would be a different story.

#9. Multi Point Inspection (to see what else we can tack onto the bill?) Again that's something you should be doing.
For a total of 269.95.

DIY and save I will bet 1/2 that 269 they are quoting.

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#1. Full Service Oil Change. Do it your self. It gets done right and you know its done

#2. Fuel and Emissions System Cleaner (like GumOut Regane/etc?). You remove the air cleaner hose and spray down the TB then wipe out excess. Do with #6

#3. Engine Oil System Cleaner (Seafoam in the crankcase before the drain?) Put a 1/2-qt of trans fluid in the crankcase and drive gently around the block until operating temp is achieved. Then Do #1

#4 Rotate Tires. DIY

#5. Induction Service (would that be like Seafoam through the PCV or Brake booster line?)

#6. Throttle Body Service See #2

#7. Synthetic Transmission Conditioner. What the heck is that? Even if it's the Kia Red you probably only have to do a drain and fill. Should not be more than 4 qts. Do it at the same time your doing #1.

#8. Clean and Adjust rear brakes (I think they need it about now...) I think they are self-adjusting. The E-brake would be a different story.

#9. Multi Point Inspection (to see what else we can tack onto the bill?) Again that's something you should be doing.
For a total of 269.95.

DIY and save I will bet 1/2 that 269 they are quoting.
Sorry, but #2, 3, 5, 6, 7 is nothing but a waste of money and time. As far as Seafoam, it has it's place, but not inside an automobile engine. It will make no difference as with all the sensors and control devices you'll see no increase in fuel mileage by cleaning the runners etc. Even a dirty air filter will not decrease fuel mileage, but it will decrease peformance.
Have put millions of miles on vehicles and the over the counter products that bring in billions a year are rediculous, something like all the fuel saving devices on the market, and to add the dealership add on services.
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